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« on: June 25, 2015, 07:06:30 PM »

I have beaten many AR15 shooters in mag change speed. Some have been posted on Youtube as well as how I did it.

My Tavor has a forward assist.
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2015, 07:34:59 PM »


My Tavor has a forward assist.

I'm listening...

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2015, 08:17:40 PM »


This thread just got interesting....!
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2015, 08:25:17 PM »

Sgt. P.  -   Grin

Now back to business,  FA?

Someone make him talk!
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2015, 08:30:56 PM »

Now you guys realize why I've been so quiet on here for a while now.  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2015, 11:16:22 PM »

I have beaten many AR15 shooters in mag change speed. Some have been posted on Youtube as well as how I did it.

My Tavor has a forward assist.

This guy is a loon but at least it can be called entertainment and distract us from the real world for a moment.

Well, obviously the circus is over now, but on your point about the reload/mag change on the Tavor is dead bang...entertaining video BTW.  Anyone who's really performed such with a Tavor and an AR will realize how well thought out a Tavor mag change can be.  This was the one area where the two instructors in that 2-day class I attended last week were actually impressed.  An AR mag change can be performed pretty darned quickly with enough training.  The Tavor just has a couple of its reload elements in a little better location.

And about the Tavor FA you speak of... Grin
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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2015, 11:51:32 PM »

There has been a photo leaked accidentally by someone that has one. But I'm not telling who or where...
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2015, 07:04:24 AM »

There has been a photo leaked accidentally by someone that has one. But I'm not telling who or where...

Please do tell about the FA on your Tavor. I have been trying to think up a way to mount a FA without major modification.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2015, 08:50:55 AM »

I searched likely places on the Internet for this leaked photo to no avail! Cry I can't wait to see this.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2015, 09:12:45 AM »

I'm sure GH is waiting until his product is GTG before making the formal announcement, so we're on our own to speculate while he sits back and enjoys the show. And if there's a leaked picture floating out there in the darkweb, that means he's been field testing it out there below our very nose.  clever!

But speculate I will!  Five directions you can initiate a fwd assist from.  The side, like an AR; the top (no-go because of gas/optics); the bottom (unlikely because of all the other hardware already there); the front... plausible with some kind of single/dual charging-rod mech; or the back... quite possible if you can provide access directly to the rear of the BCG without interfering with the shooter's shouldering

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2015, 11:05:36 AM »

If someone finds the leaked photo please share
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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2015, 01:05:48 PM »

If someone finds the leaked photo please share

I'm not sure why everyone are so fired up about a forward assist, it jams a jammed round further.
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2015, 01:39:27 PM »

The original M16 had no forward assist.  The reason they decided they needed one was :

A. wrong powder in ammo causing too much dirt.

B.  Barrel and chamber not chrome lined and in the humid environs of South VietNam there was a lot of corrosion which hindered chambering.

obviously with a piston driven action, chrome line barrel and good ammo, IWI, I'm sure after plenty of testing, decided it was like nipples on a boar hog.
 
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2015, 02:01:14 PM »

If someone finds the leaked photo please share

I'm not sure why everyone are so fired up about a forward assist, it jams a jammed round further.

Your point is correct in regards to a "jammed" or otherwise snafu'd cartridge.  I think most of us in this case are referring to the press check or accidentally riding the charging handle where the bolt doesn't go into battery.  After using this rifle in a class where you're wearing body armor and have a 2-point sling, one "can" fumble the charging handle or have it drag back against something you're wearing to where a perfectly good cartridge is now not in battery...and you know why it's not in battery.  One can also bump the charging handle on cover or such do the same thing...knock the bolt out of battery.  These are extreme conditions of course, and something not normally found to occur in recreational shooting.  But in the cases where it can...and you know why the bolt and cartridge are not in battery due to an identifiable instance...then an FA is a nice feature.  I have no qualified specifics to back this up, but I would almost bet that a soldier somewhere, sometime may have saved his life with a FA.  But you're right also in that people can make a malfunction worse by improperly using the FA. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2015, 05:07:55 PM »

If someone finds the leaked photo please share

I'm not sure why everyone are so fired up about a forward assist, it jams a jammed round further.

After seeing my one and only malfunction with a Tavor go from bad to worse due to no FA, I would disagree.

Sure a Forward Assist, like a ejection seat or a fire extinguisher can be used improperly, but I'd rather have it than not. (Well maybe an ejection seat in my truck wouldn't be a good idea, but you get my drift)

ETA: I used to be one of those that didn't see the need for a FA on an AR15 either, years back.
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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2015, 06:37:02 AM »

Five directions you can initiate a fwd assist from.  The side, like an AR; the top (no-go because of gas/optics); the bottom (unlikely because of all the other hardware already there); the front... plausible with some kind of single/dual charging-rod mech; or the back... quite possible if you can provide access directly to the rear of the BCG without interfering with the shooter's shouldering

go!

I'm guessing that any mod that breaches the polymer frame would void your IWI warranty.

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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2015, 09:04:14 AM »

How about hard attaching the charging rod to the bolt in some way? Detachable for cleaning of course. Would thus making the charging handle reciprocating be a problem? Just something that just now popped into my head, haven't looked into what may be involved.
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2015, 10:28:04 AM »

How about hard attaching the charging rod to the bolt in some way? Detachable for cleaning of course. Would thus making the charging handle reciprocating be a problem? Just something that just now popped into my head, haven't looked into what may be involved.

Making the Tavor or an AUG charging handle reciprocating might be death on many of its combat application benefits.  IMO you need to be able to disregard the CH to some degree when shooting from cover where you have the rifle stock braced or rested against something...like the edge of a building, a tree, a doorway, etc.  Yes, you can knock the Tavor out of battery by accidentally banging or pushing the CH while bracing the rifle against cover but having that CH flying back and forth up on the end of the handguard seems counterproductive just to obtain an FA by that method.  Most combat style rifles that I've seen with a reciprocating CH seem to have it in a less obtrusive location where it's less likely to come in contact with the shooter's hand or objects during bracing and firing.
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2015, 10:47:03 AM »

I agree, I should have made it clear that in no way shape or form have I seen a real need to actually have a FA on the Tavor. Seems like the IDF would have seen the need years ago  and the Tavor has been in service how long now?
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2015, 08:15:18 PM »

Easiest implementation of the FA would be the off-side port cover. Saw a photo on face-book of some milling being done to the bolt carrier of a tavor, so I guess that's whats going on there. Not a drop in mod then.
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