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Underwhere
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« on: March 04, 2021, 12:57:19 AM »

Ugh. What an embarrassing day.

I have been working on guns for many years now. Many trigger jobs. A lot of modification. Very little has ever broken. I don't even remember the last time I did damage to a gun while working on it.

Until my first day owning a bullpup.

Reading now, it looks like I fell into the same trap as a few others.

I went to install the Lightening Bow and I neglected to remove the charging handle before unlocking the barrel.

I did watch a video on YouTube where a person much more knowledgeable than me stated "It's going to feel like you're breaking something"....well it did. And I did.

So as it sits right now:
1. The "hammerhead" of the charging handle is loose on the barrel. I knocked out the roll pin.
2. The charging handle is stuck in the gun
3. The barrel lock is at the unlocked position.

I'm thinking I need a new charging handle and it looks like the X95 gas block is out of stock.
And apparently no one sells the X95 Barrel Removal tool. I used  flathead bit with ratchet but it is starting to peen the unlocking screw. I need to get hold of the real tool.

Feel free to make fun of me. I deserve it.

Some help:
Does anyone know how to remove the charging handle now?
Does anyone know where I can get a gas block?
Does anyone know where I can get a barrel wrench?






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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2021, 04:02:15 AM »

Hey boss, It's no laughing matter. I'm sorry to hear about your predicament. It's hard to visualize what exactly broke and where, so any pictures you post would be helpful to troubleshoot. There's definitely a solution to this problem, and I'm certain you'll have many years of use out of your bullpup.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2021, 09:32:07 AM »

Fresh eyes this morning:
From the back of the gun looking downwards I can see the rear of the charging handle clearly suck.
So I took a metal dowel and with the muzzle sitting on a piece of wood started to hit the dowel with a hammer.
Slowly the charging handle is making it's way out. No damage so far.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2021, 11:00:02 AM »

Using the rod (which I had to slim down) worked and it doesn't seem like there's any damage to the inside of the gun other than maybe rubbing some finish off.

The barrel lock looks ok. Some finish worn off but I'll try and gently smooth that out.

The gas cylinder has broken tabs. IWI is out of stock so I guess I'll just need to wait for it.
The new charging handle is on its way.

So looking forward to getting this gun back together.



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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2021, 04:24:34 PM »

Sorry to hear about your rifle but after it's repaired you will love it. Be like make up sex.  Cool

Bullpuparmory has the Tav tool that has the wrench in it if you can't find just the removal tool.

https://www.bullpuparmory.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=tav+tool&Submit=Search

Good luck
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2021, 10:12:38 PM »

Thanks for the support. In exchange I'll post more pics of the damage as a reminder to never do this with your rifle.

Here is the charging handle. Glad it is aluminum.

While I wait for a new one I'm going to bend this back into shape, smooth out any burrs and function check it.

I didn't report my trigger findings.

Right out of the box the trigger measured on a 6 pull average of 5 pounds and 1 ounce.
I was surprised at that given what I've read.

I ran my stone across some of the engagement surfaces within the trigger pack and then re-assembled. I still need to figure out why the hammer pin has a slot and a hole in it. Lubrication?

I then installed the lightning bow.

I'm about to re-assemble and get some new readings.  Stay tuned.



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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2021, 10:58:41 PM »

So the bad and frustrating news is that I can't get the barrel locked back into place.
I really need the barrel wrench tool. Everything I use keeps slipping. I don't think there are any issues with the barrel lock nor the barrel. I just think it's tight and I can't get the leverage I need with what I have.

It's a bit frustrating...why didn't they just use a hex key (or were they purposefully trying to make this extra difficult).
And why wouldn't they include this with the gun? For a ~$2k gun they could give you the $11 specialized tool you need to take the barrel out to service the trigger.

However, even without the barrel back in place I was able to get the trigger pack, the bolt, gas cylinder and charging handle in place.

Doing trigger readings got me to a 6 pull average of 3 pounds 12 ounces with pre-travel set at 0.7mm



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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2021, 07:06:30 PM »

I'm a little late to this discussion, but I think I know their logic in not including the barrel tool. They are attempting to prevent what you just did.

The average user isn't going to need to remove the barrel. The X95 trigger pack is 5-6lbs out of the box and that's good enough for most users. The type of person who will upgrade the trigger and trigger pack, like you and me, are also the type who read the whole manual and order the tool. I suspect the shape of the slot for the lock is to discourage people from attempting to remove the barrel without the tool which in turn will cause them to read the manual. Of course that's just a guess from me.

I would never make fun of anyone for doing this. It's embarrassing and annoying, not to mention expensive. I wish you all the best in getting it sorted out. The X95 is a great gun.
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2021, 06:24:55 AM »

The barrel lock is available from IWI
You can either buy a tool, or make one.
Use a large Allen wrench and grind/file/polish to fit the barrel lock
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2021, 09:49:55 PM »

I just did the same thing. Didn’t realize that the charging handle has to come out. My tabs didn’t break off but are bent. I used pliers to push them back in place and added epoxy and sanded it flush. Not sure how critical those specs are on those tabs. Ordered a replacement charging handle from Manticore.
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2021, 06:55:48 AM »

Ouch, sorry to hear that smokin. Since I been on this forum I have probably seen this 4 or 5 times here. It might be helpful if the Admin pinned a "WARNING: Barrel removal" thread at the top of the Tavor threads. Then there are those that will say you should have read the manual, anyways, good luck.
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2021, 06:54:01 AM »

Read the manual folks…..
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2021, 08:56:29 AM »

Always love it when we get the keyboard jockey with the “I told you so” comment.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2021, 08:49:20 PM »

It happens. Youtube saved me on that watching a X95 trigger install. I don't think anyone was bagging on ya. Good people here. Good luck man and keep us posted.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2021, 05:35:43 AM »

Always love it when we get the keyboard jockey with the “I told you so” comment.

It is a valid point. The manual is on line & readily available & as noted there are always videos on You Tube. As an armorer at a local gun store those are the two resources that I depend on all the time. Better to sit & watch a video or 2 to get a tutorial on what to do then chance screwing up a fire arm. Bottom line is there is usually a small margin of error when working on firearms.
 It was just a simple suggestion/reminder to people to look at the manual before digging into the gun. There is no shame in reading directions.  :>)
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2021, 09:00:53 AM »

Always love it when we get the keyboard jockey with the “I told you so” comment.

I don’t see where anyone said I told ya so.
The SAR I bought had a broken gas cylinder, at that time, I was able to getyhr part from IWI.

I ruined an AR barrel by grabbing a .300 BO mag by mistake.
Things happen, this has happened before.
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