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Title: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 17, 2019, 12:23:25 PM
Hello the Camp!

My name is Rich Murphy and I'm the owner of Lucky Irishman Firearms.  We make a lot of small parts and handguards for various manufacturers and also various aircraft parts for older radial engine and carbureted small planes.  

Chances are if you've seen an ACR stock on a rifle, we make the adapter (notable exception - the SCAR - they beat us to the punch).  We also make thread adapters and wide foot mag releases for the FAL, handguard and enhanced bolt releases for the Kel-Tec RDB, and now a handguard for the MDR.

For those of you who have followed the MDR Facebook page, you have seen us in various stages of design for 8 months.  Yes, since last May.  Complicated little bugger to make sure the lockup is rock solid to the receiver.  

We are not affiliated in any way with Desert Tech but we have been in touch and they have verified dimensionality with both the .308 and .223 rifles, so this will fit both.  They have also verified this will not void your warranty, as it uses the same attachment points as the existing handguards, just with an internally-threaded thru-stay to screw in the base rather than using a push-pin.  They've asked us for one when we're done as well.  

Design is done, and we are 3 weeks away from beginning production, all of which is done right here in the U.S.A.  No foreign parts or labor.  Ever.  Made in 6061-T6 aluminum also U.S. sourced.

2 weeks to set up the tooling, 2 weeks to produce the rails, 2 weeks for final machining, and 2 weeks for anodizing, packaging, and shipping to us.  In other words, we're about 90 days from this being in your mailbox.  

We have used crowd funding to offset roughly 50% of the production costs since we started business, all the way back to the FAL ACR stock adapters 5 years ago.  As a small home run business, plunking down $25,000 at once gets a little difficult in addition to the thousands spent in prototyping the last 8 months, and we don't run huge profit margins since it's all done here in the USA, so we rely on people who share our passion for shooting and enhancing our rifles.  

As such, we discount the prices for pre-ordering.  You help us, we help you.  

There are two flavors of rails, one is short, coming just to the muzzle end on the bottom so your flash hider won't burn it and one is long, made for people running suppressors.  They are M-Lok top, sides, and bottom, for whatever accessories you may choose to mount.  Inner diameter was profiled for the OSS Suppressor, and I don't know of any that are larger in diameter, so your suppressor will fit.

Retail pricing:

Short rail:  $299
Long rail:  $319
Cerakote Tan:  $35

We are up to 40 pre-orders on the FB page.  50 gets the project moving.  Discounted pricing available to the FB and Bullpup forum members only IF you pre-order with a $50 deposit (again to offset initial machining and setup costs).

>50 but <100 pre-orders = $249 shipped, a 20% discount and free shipping.
>100 but <150 pre-orders = $239 shipped.
>150 pre-orders = $219 shipped.

Cerakoting not included but that pricing will be good for both short and long rail but ONLY in pre-orders.

We don't really run sales so if you don't pre-order, you're going to pay retail.  

We accept Paypal to Lear70@gmail.com, FB pay, USPS Money Orders, and all major credit cards through Square.  Please PM for details on the last two, find us on FB for FB pay.  

Check our progress out on the Facebook MDR page if you want to see how our journey progressed and how we got here regarding design, including polls to see what people liked the best.  You can also find us at www.lifeindustries.net

Thanks,

Rich Murphy, Owner
Lucky Irishman Firearms


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Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: HBeretta on February 17, 2019, 12:33:09 PM
nice work man.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: thehun on February 17, 2019, 01:38:16 PM
Your work is always top notch.

User accessible gas plug...awesome. Something DT should have done but failed.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: superduty on February 17, 2019, 01:57:55 PM
Very happy with their handguard for my RDB. I am sure what they develop for the MDR will be a great improvement over the plastic one.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: whiskey91lima on February 17, 2019, 02:41:47 PM
Great design Rich. If I still had an MDR, I would but one.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: HBeretta on February 17, 2019, 02:52:07 PM
User accessible gas plug...awesome. Something DT should have done but failed.

yeah...he made it look easy didn't he?  i'd be interested in how well this handguard holds zero considering materials used and how it's mounted.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: thehun on February 17, 2019, 05:00:12 PM
I bet better than the factory unit.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 17, 2019, 05:23:18 PM
We guarantee it to hold zero, that's not going to be a problem.  4 lockup points on the receiver and not just a push pin but screws.  Then 6 screws on the handguard mating to the bases.  It's not going anywhere.

The prototype is 3D printed Kevlar over the machined aluminum bases.  The final will be all aluminum.  No worries there.

Thanks for the kind words, gents!  Glad you like our work.  Hopefully this is our lasts design for a while, ready to take a break from design and get back to our body armor project.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: thehun on February 17, 2019, 07:03:02 PM
Looks very stout.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on February 17, 2019, 08:57:57 PM
Which version, long or short, is shown with the OSS suppressor?  Just want to confirm so that I can let you know which one I want for my pre-order.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 17, 2019, 09:13:26 PM
Which version, long or short, is shown with the OSS suppressor?  Just want to confirm so that I can let you know which one I want for my pre-order.
The short one is shown, the long one is 6 M-lok sections.

Thanks!


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on February 17, 2019, 11:11:56 PM
Which version, long or short, is shown with the OSS suppressor?  Just want to confirm so that I can let you know which one I want for my pre-order.
The short one is shown, the long one is 6 M-lok sections.

Thanks!

Outstanding!  That's the one I was hoping to get.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on February 18, 2019, 09:17:18 AM
Hey Rich, what is the OAL of the long one going to be? Is it longer than the DT suppressor HG?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 18, 2019, 11:22:25 AM
The short one is the same overall length as the original DT handguard.

The long handguard is longer than the DT suppressor handguard.  Here's a mockup one of the forum members did for us.  We haven't had it made because it's almost $200 to 3D print something this big and it's just a length issue.

I will get an OAL on the long version off the CAD file in a bit and post back.

Thanks,

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Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Zeiram3f on February 18, 2019, 12:08:27 PM
Rich, it’s Corey. Is this mock-up more accurate to what the final long version should look like?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 18, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
Rich, it’s Corey. Is this mock-up more accurate to what the final long version should look like?
Yes, that's perfect!

Thanks, Corey, I appreciate it.  Didn't want to mention you by name without asking.  I greatly appreciate the help.  Your image mockups were what pushed us to go ahead and execute on making both the long and short versions per the poll results!


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Zeiram3f on February 18, 2019, 12:45:34 PM
Hey! Glad to hear it. And if you ever need any conceptual work on future projects, 2D or 3D, consider me interested.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Slateman on February 18, 2019, 04:31:19 PM
Weight? Are all the slots m-lok? Including the ones at an angle to the side and top rail? If so, are they angled to allow offset sights and be in line with the barrel?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: HamSpoon89 on February 18, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
The RDB handguard is flawless, I'd expect nothing less here.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 18, 2019, 11:10:16 PM
Weight? Are all the slots m-lok? Including the ones at an angle to the side and top rail? If so, are they angled to allow offset sights and be in line with the barrel?
All the horizontal slots are M-Lok.  Top, bottom, sides, and 45 top angle. 

I still haven't gotten a full weight yet, should have that shortly.  It'll be within a few ounces of the factory handguard.  Most of the mass is in the base which is center of gravity for the rifle so it's rather negligible in terms of handling.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on February 19, 2019, 02:34:29 PM
Im interested in the long one but need to see 223 reports because I may still cancel if it doesnt perform. Should I prepay here, anyway? What happens with cancellations?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: notorious_ar15 on February 20, 2019, 09:57:06 PM
Rich,

how long does this Group Buy last? A lot of us are still in limbo about when / if we are getting our rifles...


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: ANG Pilot on February 23, 2019, 02:37:37 PM
Lee Majors, I'd eventually like to get an 18" or 20" barrel when they become available so I'm inclined to buy your long version but would it be too long to work in the interim with the 16" barrel I have now?

What's with the C-21 and 717?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Radius13 on February 23, 2019, 03:33:27 PM
I am definitely interested in both a short and a long, but I would like to see the answers to at least the two prior questions since I am pretty much in the same situation.

That is all.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Zeiram3f on February 24, 2019, 12:27:01 AM
See attached images for examples of size and scale.
If you see a flash hider hiding under the handguard, then yes, the long handguard will likely sustain damage by the 16.5” barrel.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on February 24, 2019, 08:25:36 PM
LeeMajors, I am interested in a short rail. I am not a FaceBook user, so how would I go about placing the $50 deposit? Just send the funds through my PayPal account with a reference to hand guard deposit?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 27, 2019, 08:15:09 PM
Sorry, I just saw this.

Yes, please email me at Lear70@gmail.com - also my Paypal - and I'll add you to the list.

Thank you!


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 27, 2019, 08:16:52 PM
Rich,

how long does this Group Buy last? A lot of us are still in limbo about when / if we are getting our rifles...
The group buy will last until production is done and we have to pay for them.

Once we have to pay for them, the group buy ends and retail pricing is in effect.

This simply helps offset our cash outlay to cover production, so we reward people who help us do that by offering a substantial discount.

Thank you,


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 27, 2019, 08:21:04 PM
Im interested in the long one but need to see 223 reports because I may still cancel if it doesnt perform. Should I prepay here, anyway? What happens with cancellations?
We don't do cancellations.  Pre-orders with discounts give a $50 deposit now and balance in full when we pay the machinist and they are on our way to us.

The whole point is to help offset how much we have to outlay with pre-orders at a substantial discount.  Does us no good to have to refund orders.  I'd prefer if you aren't sure you want one, please wait until you have the rifle.  You will lose the discount, but then there won't be an issue of returns and refunds.

I run this business by myself as far as design and ordering and shipping goes, so it's just too hard to chase a moving target with cancellable orders.  Thanks,


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on February 27, 2019, 09:47:48 PM
I think he was talking about cancelling his MDR order.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 27, 2019, 09:52:31 PM
I think he was talking about cancelling his MDR order.
Yes, but I also believe he was asking what happens if he pre-orders a rail then cancels his MDR order and wants to also cancel this rail order.

If not, I misunderstood where he was going asking me about my cancellation policy...?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on February 28, 2019, 11:24:46 AM
I think he was talking about cancelling his MDR order.
Yes, but I also believe he was asking what happens if he pre-orders a rail then cancels his MDR order and wants to also cancel this rail order.

If not, I misunderstood where he was going asking me about my cancellation policy...?

Ah...gotcha!


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on February 28, 2019, 11:44:36 AM
Sorry, I just saw this.

Yes, please email me at Lear70@gmail.com - also my Paypal - and I'll add you to the list.

Thank you!

Got it. Thanks. Money sent.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on February 28, 2019, 11:46:18 AM
Received, thanks! 

That puts us at 48.  Should be well over 50 by the time we get these back in a month or so.

MDR Handguard is officially FINISHED!  Took us nearly 9 months - longest project we've ever done, but she's good to go.  All lines up perfectly.  Pictured with OSS Suppressor and Magpul M-Lok rails.  Pre-orders open tomorrow. 

Retail pricing:  $299 plus shipping.

Pre-order pricing:  $249 shipped for >50 orders (minimum threshold to start production).  $239 shipped for >100 orders.  $219 shipped for >150 orders. 

We will leave pre-orders open for 30 days.  Payment in full not required. 20% deposit to hold your spot, refunded if we don't meet our 50 qty minimum, which I have no doubt we will.  Not our first rodeo. 

$50 via PP to Lear70@gmail.com - will show up as LIFe Industries, LLC on your payment receipt and a post here holds your spot.  I'll keep a count going.

1.  Christian B - Paid in Full
2.  Frederick B - $50 deposit
3.  Andrew H - $50 deposit
4.  Michael S - $50 deposit
5.  Robert C - $50 deposit
6.  Matt K - $50 deposit
7.  Daniel J - $50 deposit
8.  Charles B - $50 deposit
9.  Dustin S - $50 deposit
10.  Kurt F - $50 deposit
11.  Wesley R - $50 deposit
12.  Justin B - $50 deposit
13.  Ryan P - $50 deposit
14.  Andrew L - $50 deposit
15.  Curtis K - $50 deposit
16.  Christopher M - $50 deposit
17.  Todd A - $50 deposit
18.  Jason E - $50 deposit
19.  Thenuka A - $50 deposit
20-39 - European dealer through ITAR export.
40.  Stephen H - $100 deposit
41.  Corey G - $50 deposit
42.  Joseph V - $50 deposit
43.  Eric H - $50 Deposit
44.  Nathan B - $50 Deposit
45.  Dan A - $50 Deposit
46.  Robert M - $100 Deposit
47.  Nick D - $50 Deposit
48.  Mark O - $50 Deposit


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Zeiram3f on February 28, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
Do note that the artwork above represents an MDR with the older HX-Magnum design at something like 8.36" from the muzzle. Just making sure you guys know which specific OSS is mounted on the MDR mockup.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on June 03, 2019, 10:44:54 PM
Hello all,

MDR aluminum handguard is in final production.  Expecting machining to be done in 10 days and they're heading to anodizing. 

Those who have pre-ordered, please get your balance payments in. 

Unfortunately Paypal has discovered me as a firearms accessory business and locked my account.  You can make payments by VISA or MC on our website at www.lifeindustries.net  We also take Venmo and Paypal Pay

For those wanting to get in on pre-order, you have until Friday to do so, then we're cutting off pre-orders, which is a 20% discount and free shipping.

Both short (same as factory length standard handguard) and long (4" longer for dedicated suppressor shooting like me) are available for the same price.  Long will be $20 more than short when we go to retail, so almost 30% off for you folks.

Thank you.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on June 03, 2019, 10:47:37 PM
Wait you are making both the short and long now? I thought you were only looking for short preorders now???


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on June 03, 2019, 10:53:48 PM
That's my fault for not getting on here sooner and updating that we made the decision to do both, as we had about 1/3 of the pre-orders really wanting the longer version.

We're making both long and short, and black and FDE/tan as well.  

Cerakote adds $30.  Someone else does that so we can't discount it but I can offer long for the same price as short during pre-order only.  You'll see that on the website in the available options.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on June 04, 2019, 07:15:43 AM
 Do you have any pictures of the long product mounted on an MDR like you showedthe short one?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on June 04, 2019, 08:24:23 AM
No, not yet, because they aren't machined yet.  That's why we're offering pre-ordering discounts.

It's the same shape and design as the short model, simply 4 inches longer to cover the first few inches of the suppressor so you can hold the rifle further out for more stability.  

The last picture posted by Zeiram above shows what it will look like in the "long" version.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on June 04, 2019, 09:43:03 AM
Just so I have this straight in my mind...

The "short" version is the same length as the existing handguard or is it somewhere between the existing handguard and the oversized handguard that DT offers?  And the "long" version is longer than the oversized version DT offers?

Thanks!

Kurt


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on June 04, 2019, 09:53:45 AM
Short is the same length as standard DT.

Long adds 4" to partially cover your suppressor.

Both handguards are "suppressor diameter", there isn't a "skinny -vs- fat".  They're all suppressor diameter, just different lengths. 

In the future we may offer a "slim" short version for people who have smaller hands.  I'm 5' 11", no giant hands, and you can see my grip on the handguard is pretty natural. 


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on June 04, 2019, 04:20:59 PM
thanks!


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Frostburg on June 04, 2019, 11:16:27 PM
Wait, you have a new bolt release for the RDB???? Link please?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on June 04, 2019, 11:23:33 PM
lol - yes, we've sold a few hundred of them already. 

www.lifeindustries.net


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on June 05, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Does anyone know how much longer the DT suppressor handguard is than the short one? I also am trying to figure if Lee’s long one is longer than DT’s suppressor hg....


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on June 05, 2019, 02:58:39 PM
The overall length of the base handguard is 8.75" (measured from the front of the handguard to the most distant point behind the tension screw).  The suppressor handguard is 11.25", measured similarly.  The base version has three M-Lok slots while the suppressor version has 4, and they start a little farther forward than on the baseline.



Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on June 05, 2019, 10:47:11 PM
Ergo the aftermarket long hg will be 12.75??
8.75+4.00= 12.75


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on June 05, 2019, 11:00:05 PM
Ergo the aftermarket long hg will be 12.75??
8.75+4.00= 12.75

Sounds about right to me.  I think I'll stick with the short one; it has enough weight with the OSS BPR/SRM can that I'm not sure I want to add anything more.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on June 06, 2019, 12:04:02 AM
Yes, although it's a smidge closer to 12.5".  That's about what I need with my arm reach for comfortable standing shooting on the move anyway.  I tend to grab about 2" past the factory handguard with a natural grab, which puts me half on, half off the rail. 

I'll be running the long with my OSS.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on July 11, 2019, 11:12:02 PM
Any news yet on the date that the hand guard will finally be shipping? I'm not getting impatient, just wondering when to expect the hand guard.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on July 12, 2019, 01:41:24 AM
I'm waiting for the invoice any day now which means they'll be shipping to me then I'll get them out to everyone.

The original date was 4th of July but they evidently couldn't get them into hardcoat anodizing and back out. 


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on July 14, 2019, 11:01:10 PM
Great! Thanks for the update.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: mike6453 on July 17, 2019, 08:03:10 PM
This is awesome! Take my money! When will they be available on your website to order instead of "pre-order"? The only thing I don't like about my mdr so far is the plastic handguard.

Mike


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on July 17, 2019, 09:15:53 PM
lol - there's a pre-order "pay in full" on there as well unless I took it down already. I've been so busy I don't know if I'm coming or going but if it's still there, you're welcome to pre-order at the 20% discount that's on it.  They haven't invoiced me so I'll allow pre-orders until I have to pay with my own money (in addition to pre-order funds) at which point I'll cut off pre-orders.

On a positive note, I got the final machined rail not anodized, which means we're inside a 10 business day countdown to final product.  I'll upload pictures in a bit. 

The down-side, which is why I haven't green-lit the mounting bases, is that my suspicion was correct and there is a *slight* variation we will have to change the mounting bases slightly.  It'll take a few days to re-program the change, machine a prototype base, then mount it on the rifle for final fitment before we green light the bases.

Good positive movement, just always takes a little more than you think.

Pictures shortly.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on July 21, 2019, 11:05:51 AM
Hello all,

Rails will be out of hardcoat anodize and on their way to me Wednesday. That's the good news.

Bad news is there's a slight variation in the width of the rails themselves, about .020" slimmer than the adapter and all the screw holes are off (forward) .015". Once we add hard coat it'll be about .022" we have to take off the adapter width, which is why I couldn't get it fully on the rifle for pictures.

This is also why we didn't machine all the mounting bases yet and although we can easily tweak the bases to account for the rail machining variation, it'll add a week. We've already started on the CAD changes now that I have a machined rail to base it on and should have those done in about a week, then anodized the week after that and back here and shipping.

My apologies for missing 4th of July, but we're in the home stretch now.

I cut the $22,000 check for just the rails this Wednesday. If you want in, this is it. As soon as the check mails, I'm taking pre-orders off the website.

And now, what you really wanted. Pictures! (this is the short version obviously).

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Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on July 21, 2019, 03:44:39 PM
Lee, does your RDB rail fit an OSS can?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on July 21, 2019, 04:35:20 PM
Yes, that's what I use on my MDR.  6" BPR module, 4" SRM. 

With M-Lok slots installed on the side, there is 1/8" clearance to the side of the can from the M-Lok screws.  It's about as small as we can make it while still clearing on all sides/angles.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on July 21, 2019, 07:10:16 PM
Sorry, I confused you with my off topic question. I was asking about the Keltec  RDB rail.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on July 21, 2019, 07:24:02 PM
Oh, sorry, didn't see that.

The RDB rail fits all standard 1.5" and 1.6" OD cans including the NEW style OSS.  I have a 1.5" M4-2000 suppressor on mine.

I think the old style OSS which I have on my MDR is at 1.76" OD.  It's the hexagonal shell that's the problem, which is why OSS stopped making them that way.  The old hexagonal OSS don't fit in most handguard's ID's.



Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on July 24, 2019, 09:55:38 PM
Thank you for the update. The pictures look good. I'm looking forward to getting it and putting it on my MDR.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on September 06, 2019, 11:07:31 PM
LeeMajors, what's the news on the MDR rail? I figured they would have been delivered by now? Is there an ETA on when they will finally be available for shipping? Thanks, Mark.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on September 06, 2019, 11:24:38 PM
I keep forgetting to update this board, sorry about that.

Rails got here last week.  I didn't like the way the mounting bases looked.  Too blocky, lines were bad, so we finished redesign this week and have base files in machining today and tomorrow, anodizing on Monday, back to us Wed or Thurs for final mounting check before production of bases. 

This is what it looks like with the final long rail and the blockier mounting base.

(https://i.imgur.com/ljKNohll.jpg)


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on September 07, 2019, 04:54:37 PM
Thank you!


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on October 10, 2019, 11:51:36 PM
LeeMajors, can we get an update on the progress and expected shipping date on the handguards, please?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: thehun on October 11, 2019, 04:59:09 PM
Here is what he posted on MDR Owners Group on FB:

Richard Murphy
Visual Storyteller · 2 hrs

Alright folks, everything is here for black MDR rails and it's time to ship. I'll be boxing and shipping this weekend. Please if you've ordered a BLACK rail (not tan, black only at this tiem), please email me at sales@lifeindustries.net with your order number and your current mailing address. Thank you!

Honestly...if you have a MDR...that is the place to get all new info...


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on October 11, 2019, 06:34:11 PM
Any pics of the updated mounting blocks?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: thehun on October 11, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
He posted them on FB...


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on October 11, 2019, 11:44:23 PM
Thank you for that information. I don't have a FB account and won't get one. Is it possible to view this information without an account over there?

I just sent Richard Murphy my info. to his e-mail address and the address given by theHun. So, hopefully he will get it and send out my rail. Thanks, Hun for the information.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: thehun on October 12, 2019, 09:00:07 AM
It requires FB as it is a private, closed group...


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Bigboi on October 16, 2019, 04:13:46 PM
Only problem with that the guy that owns the group hasnt been on in 2 or 3 months on the mdr owners group to join and check out the good stuff. i did send my email with the info to ship the handguard havnt heard anything in a a good while so i dont know


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: thehun on October 16, 2019, 04:31:52 PM
Why I don't partake in pre-orders...


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on October 16, 2019, 07:04:07 PM
Only problem with that the guy that owns the group hasnt been on in 2 or 3 months on the mdr owners group to join and check out the good stuff. i did send my email with the info to ship the handguard havnt heard anything in a a good while so i dont know

Huh?  The guy who makes the handguards has been active here and has posted that they'll probably ship this week since all the components are present and within spec.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: RadStorm on October 17, 2019, 01:14:08 AM
Just to clarify the black handguards were shipped this week. As per the Facebook update (from October 11th). The tan rails still have some time left. Please correct me if I am wrong.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on October 17, 2019, 06:44:35 PM
I e-mailed him and haven't received a reply yet. Has anyone that ordered one of the short, black rails received any notification that their rail has been shipped?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: AF Gunner on October 18, 2019, 08:19:34 AM
I e-mailed him and haven't received a reply yet. Has anyone that ordered one of the short, black rails received any notification that their rail has been shipped?

I ordered the short black and have not received any coms. I also sent them an email.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on October 18, 2019, 10:25:19 PM
I e-mailed him and haven't received a reply yet. Has anyone that ordered one of the short, black rails received any notification that their rail has been shipped?

I ordered the short black and have not received any coms. I also sent them an email.

If they sent us the rails this week (without any notification), then we should get them within 10 days. I'll wait and see if mine arrives. After 10, days I'll try contacting them again.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: RadStorm on October 19, 2019, 01:20:07 AM
Here is the most recent update from the Facebook group. Seems like we should be expecting the black handguards to arrive soon.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on October 19, 2019, 03:03:34 PM
Thank you. I'm guessing that he's busy getting all of these packaged and sent out, so that may be why he's not checking his e-mails. So, yeah, we should be getting these pretty soon. Thanks again for the FB info. I hate FB and refuse to use it or give that anti-American, domestic communist, Mark Zuckerberg, a dime of my money. Let us know if you get your rail. I'll do the same.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on October 20, 2019, 11:44:46 AM
RadStorm,  I just received an e-mail message back from Richard at Lucky Irishman Firearms. He advised that they were packing up and would be shipping out my rail tomorrow. He asked to confirm my address. Looks like they were busy getting these out, which explains the slow response to e-mail queries. Hopefully your rail is going out tomorrow as well.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: RadStorm on October 20, 2019, 11:58:26 AM
RadStorm,  I just received an e-mail message back from Richard at Lucky Irishman Firearms. He advised that they were packing up and would be shipping out my rail tomorrow. He asked to confirm my address. Looks like they were busy getting these out, which explains the slow response to e-mail queries. Hopefully your rail is going out tomorrow as well.

Glad to see you were able to get a response. Like you said he was probably busy with packing all the rails up.  Hopefully shipping will be quick enough to get them this week!


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Bigboi on October 22, 2019, 03:06:16 PM
RadStorm,  I just received an e-mail message back from Richard at Lucky Irishman Firearms. He advised that they were packing up and would be shipping out my rail tomorrow. He asked to confirm my address. Looks like they were busy getting these out, which explains the slow response to e-mail queries. Hopefully your rail is going out tomorrow as well.


What email did u use to contact him im trying to get him to respond with either a refund or sending the handguard out i never got a response since i asked him in August if it was able to be ordered or confirmation on my shipping i sent a couple of emails never heard anything back


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on October 26, 2019, 11:59:45 PM
Send me a message and I'll give you the address that I used. I don't if it's OK to post the address here or not.

Disregard. I just  sent you a message to your e-mail address, with his e-mail address.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Bigboi on October 27, 2019, 10:16:11 AM
Send me a message and I'll give you the address that I used. I don't if it's OK to post the address here or not.

Disregard. I just  sent you a message to your e-mail address, with his e-mail address.

Thx for the email hopefully he replies i think i might have sent it to him before through that email before. Relly i hope ots not sending my emails to the spam folder like it did wiith yours idk how i will contact him then


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: RadStorm on October 29, 2019, 12:02:25 AM
Here is another update for people who don't use Facebook. Seems like they are shipping any day now.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: AF Gunner on October 29, 2019, 11:43:07 AM
I got an email with a tracking number. At least the shipping label was created.


Your LIFe Industries, LLC order is on its way
Dear Name,
Your order from LIFe Industries, LLC is in the mail!
The package is being shipped via USPS to the following address:


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: RadStorm on October 29, 2019, 01:04:14 PM
I got an email with a tracking number. At least the shipping label was created.


Your LIFe Industries, LLC order is on its way
Dear Name,
Your order from LIFe Industries, LLC is in the mail!
The package is being shipped via USPS to the following address:

Same here, got it just now.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on October 29, 2019, 01:20:40 PM
I just received mine as well, today.  :)


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on October 29, 2019, 07:21:14 PM
I received a tracking number as well.  Given the amount of time that he mentioned was required to get the orders packaged, I figure it will probably be received by USPS on Wednesday.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on October 29, 2019, 09:48:21 PM
If anyone can post a picture of the short HG with an OSS suppressor mounted I would be very grateful!


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on October 29, 2019, 10:37:18 PM
I'll do that when mine arrives later this week.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on October 30, 2019, 03:12:34 AM
Excellent, thanks.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: KMcPheron on October 30, 2019, 07:19:43 AM
Orders are going out just for the black handguards, right? Any eta on the tan ones?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Steelviper on October 30, 2019, 04:39:26 PM
Now that these are shipping  8) wondering what the shortest length barrel clears the LONGER handguard.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on October 31, 2019, 05:10:21 PM
I just received my railed hand guard. Here's a picture with my AAC M240 SD sound suppressor attached. By the way, the first hole of my AAC muzzle brake/QD suppressor just clears the end of the short rail, without the suppressor attached. Because the end of the rail is a little long, the QD release lever on my suppressor is covered by the rail. I need to use something like a screw driver to reach between the rail and the QD release lever to remove the suppressor from the barrel muzzle brake/QD.

http://(https://i.postimg.cc/xCqQt7H0/20191031-150425.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0MghNVc3)


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: Tinglyfeet9 on November 01, 2019, 01:15:19 PM
That looks fantastic!  How solid is the lockup, any concern of POI shift?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on November 01, 2019, 02:14:12 PM
It's solid. No concerns there. One of the screws did not screw all the way in, so I found a shorter screw in my set of screws that would fit. Other than the issue with the rail covering the QD release lever on my suppressor, I like this rail.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: HardEight on November 06, 2019, 08:05:30 AM
How hot does the handguard get after a couple magazines? The mount sits directly over the gas block (though I hope doesn't contact), and aluminum is a very good conductor.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: INV136 on November 06, 2019, 06:33:18 PM
I've owned this MDR since they first sent them out and still haven't fired it yet. I do have a Galil ACE .308 with an RS Regulate aluminum rail that I installed, similar to this one, and it gets hot pretty quick. I have added a vertical grip to the Galil because of the heat issue. I would imagine that this one will get hot also.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: HardEight on November 08, 2019, 12:50:34 AM
Galil ACE handguards attach via a screw that contacts both the barrel and gas tube, hence why I asked about this one's mount system. If it stands clear of the gas block, heat shouldn't be that big of an issue.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on November 10, 2019, 02:29:27 PM
Kurt, have you been able to snap that pic?


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on November 10, 2019, 07:44:28 PM
Kurt, have you been able to snap that pic?

Yes, but I haven't as I'm trying to get in touch with the vendor because my notes say I ordered a long rail and received a short rail.  I didn't want to install it and not be able to return it, though at this point it feels like a moot point as I have heard nothing back and it's been two weeks or so.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: reason on November 10, 2019, 10:48:38 PM
Thanks for the quick reply


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: newguy2k3 on November 14, 2019, 08:03:51 PM
I got a shipping notification for my long fde handguard yesterday but it's still showing "pre-shipment" so I'm guessing maybe he batch printed a bunch of labels and is hopefully getting them packed up currently.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: MDR777 on November 19, 2019, 02:40:47 AM
Received the handguard today.  There is problem with handguard.  There is not enough clearance for the charging handle.  See attach pictures.  It chiped the handguard after one cycle of the charging handle.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: newguy2k3 on November 19, 2019, 10:07:48 AM
Yea mine does the same thing. Kinda sucks but not the end of the world


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: MDR777 on November 20, 2019, 03:17:51 AM
This is response from Richard Murphy.  The maker of the hand guard.

Hmmm, this is strange.

 

There is contact on all of them there, but the black rails have been out there almost a month and no one has reported that kind of damage.  It’s at the very end of where the charging handle rests and shouldn’t rub like that unless you’re riding the handle forward and restricting its normal way of spring returning to position.

 

Cerakote adds material, but only a small amount.  A few people have the FDE now and if it becomes a wider spread issue, we may have to swap people’s mounting bases with an updated version taking more material off that corner.

 

Can you zoom out a little from a straight-on top view?  Zoomed in pictures like that are very difficult to see how things are happening.  A good quality photo from about a foot away not zoomed would help, that way I can zoom in how I need to or not.

 

Thank you, and sorry for the trouble.

 

Rich

 

I have sent additional pictures to him.  he said no one had report the problem to him.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on November 20, 2019, 11:02:26 AM
Thanks for posting, I was about to come on here this morning and let everyone know we are working on a fix.

Also if you'll notice the screws are about .010" too high on the mounting bases as well.  The issue with that is the extrusion company messed up placement of the holes but say it's within their "allowed variance".  We didn't notice it since we had screwed ours on about 20 times with prototypes until we had already shipped the first batch.

Luckily it still fits if you screw the top screw on each side in first, torque it down properly, which pulls the other screw holes into alignment enough to mount (obviously since you got it on).  We're already out of base pieces and have another batch currently finished and heading to anodizing but we're on hold to address this top corner interference.

We'll be profiling the rear top corner of the mounting base at a 45-50 deg angle to allow the charging handle to rest without touching and offering a free exchange to customers for their existing base pieces.  Obviously it still functions, but the aesthetics of rubbed off finish are not acceptable and we'll take care of it. 

Sorry for the inconvenience, the joys of prototyping a new product from scratch.  The good news is they aren't functionally impaired, but clearly something we will address and rectify.

For those who haven't received your rail or if the tracking is showing not moving, please email me.  If you have emailed me, I will get back to you by the end of the day.  Trying to catch up today, this isn't my day job and I use my days off to do this. 

Thank you,


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: LeeMajors on November 20, 2019, 11:08:58 AM
Kurt, have you been able to snap that pic?

Yes, but I haven't as I'm trying to get in touch with the vendor because my notes say I ordered a long rail and received a short rail.  I didn't want to install it and not be able to return it, though at this point it feels like a moot point as I have heard nothing back and it's been two weeks or so.
Kurt, I haven't received anything from you that I'm aware of regarding the wrong length.  I'm happy to replace it, we have plenty in stock.  Shoot it back and I'll send you the correct size.

Please email me directly RichardM@lifeindustries.net as the web email form isn't working and I need to take it down and just put an email hyperlink on that page.

Sorry to have missed your contact.


Title: Re: New MDR aluminum Handguard - ready for pre-ordering
Post by: kfeltenberger on November 20, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
Kurt, have you been able to snap that pic?

Yes, but I haven't as I'm trying to get in touch with the vendor because my notes say I ordered a long rail and received a short rail.  I didn't want to install it and not be able to return it, though at this point it feels like a moot point as I have heard nothing back and it's been two weeks or so.
Kurt, I haven't received anything from you that I'm aware of regarding the wrong length.  I'm happy to replace it, we have plenty in stock.  Shoot it back and I'll send you the correct size.

Please email me directly RichardM@lifeindustries.net as the web email form isn't working and I need to take it down and just put an email hyperlink on that page.

Sorry to have missed your contact.

Will do!  It will probably be this weekend that I'll have time.