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Dogslayer
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2017, 08:32:09 AM »

What is a 5x5 group?
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2017, 03:22:46 AM »


(http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_17/51____ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html)




                                                                                                                                                                 
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2017, 11:01:47 AM »

Next time I go to the range I will bring 5 or 10 more of that load. I'm pretty sure
that it will give roughly the same result. Maybe some members of this forum could
post some of the groups they have shot with their KM Arms 308's.

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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2017, 07:19:29 PM »

SkirmishAblated, I have a Tavor and a M17s 5.56 (and .308).

Comparing Tavor to M17s556

Tavor very light thin walled barrel - better for weight , possibly faster to swing onto target
M17s medium profile barrel - better for steady aiming and longer range shooting, not noticeably slower to swing to me

Tavor - Balanced more to the rear of gun. Gun feels lighter when shouldered for longer periods of time
M17s - Balance is more centered on the pistol grip. Steadier (less twitchy) aim

Personally I can consistently shoot better groupings at 100 to 200 yards with my M17s than my Tavor

Tavor has better ergonomics with the molded plastics, down side is, grip cannot be changed (pistol or fore grip)
M17s- I added an Magpul AFG out front which gives very similar ergo's to the Tavor. I also use the same Tango down grips on several rifles (including both M17s). I like the consistent grip feel from gun to gun.

Tavor Along with the better ergos in the plastic shell comes the much more difficult tear down for cleaning
M17s - VERY simple disassembly

Tavor - average bullpup "battle" trigger ( cheap plastic trigger)
M17s - Incredible trigger for any gun, not just bullpups (nice alluminum trigger)

The M17s trigger also helps with the tighter groupings at range.

Tavor - fixed nonreciprocating charging handle
M17s556 - fixed nonreciprocating charging handle
M17s308 - folding nonreciprocating charging handle

I have no complaints about any of them. All do their job, all are adequate and comfortable to me, the 308's folding handle is superb.

Tavor - Can be sensitive to some magazines and lower pressure (cheap Russian steel) ammo
M17s - Haven't found a mag or ammo it doesn't like yet

These are some observations of MY Tavor and M17s. Overall, I like the M17s more, and take it to the range more.
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2017, 08:22:05 PM »

Thank you very much for the detailed comparison! Seeing this type of write-up makes me much more confident in my decision to get a 308 M17S.

Do you find the recoil of the 308 difficult to manage, and perhaps needing a brake, or is it pretty smooth shooting?
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2017, 09:43:49 PM »

FYI, you can get a folding charging handle from KM Arms for your 5.56.
It is the same as the 308 charging handle. Not sure how much it costs...

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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2017, 08:45:47 PM »

Skirmish, sorry I haven't been back here for a while to answer this sooner.

The .308 is very managable. I have purchased a brake for it, but haven't installed yet. Feel is great, and muzzle rise is minimal, but why settle for just great. Lol
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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2017, 03:47:46 PM »

That's great to hear! Really looking forward to my 308! Btw which brake did you go with? Personally I've been interested in the EFAB, as it looks like a good combination of recoil reduction, flash suppression, and not a lot of increased noise.
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2017, 08:34:05 PM »

I went with the Witt macjine MRE. Excellent control of muzzle rise, but will damn near deafen the guys at the benches on either side of you. Lol
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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2017, 05:40:06 PM »

Dogslayer, did you ever get out there and try the 5x5 or 3x10 groups?
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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2017, 11:06:37 AM »

Thanks for the great detailed comparison Hesher420. It makes me glad I pulled the trigger(pun intended) on the 5.56 M17S. I agonized on which to buy long and hard. Excited to get my hands on mine as I am rather late to the bullpup party.
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