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« on: July 23, 2012, 08:17:54 PM »

Hello, I am new to this forum and I have recently acquired a Norinco Type 97A bullpup here in the Philippines where I am currently residing for the time being. Here is a thread I posted in another site:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1432923
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2012, 08:53:45 PM »

welcome and post some pictures and tell us about it.  How much did you have to give?
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2012, 09:41:19 PM »

Welcome! Post us some gun porn!
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2012, 10:53:11 PM »

Welcome!

Looking forward to some pictures!  How's the trigger?
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 12:52:54 AM »

wow

the chinese bullpups are available in the phillipines?

details?
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2012, 04:37:25 AM »

Hello again. Was kinda busy for a while. I am posting some pictures of the Type 97A. I attached a TruGlo red dot scope with a 40 mm objective and a Sightmark 3 x Tactical magnifier. The scope is about 5 inches above the muzzle and I still have to figure out the near and far zeros. Right now, I zeroed it so that it hits about 2 inches high at 50 meters. Will try to determine the near zero next. Managed two one holes at 50 meters. Rifle is pretty accurate. Trigger is a little mushy but manageable.



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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2012, 04:41:05 AM »

More pics. Bullpups are great. It's my first and it's a 5.56 mm to boot.


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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2012, 12:13:52 PM »

Nice!!

Great write-up!!
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 02:24:56 PM »

what does it cost to buy one down there?
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2012, 04:09:50 PM »

what does it cost to buy one down there?
curious myself?  i never liked the big handle/scope mount,but that gun looks sweet as is to me for some reason..looks in good shape too!  nice find and welcome to a great place to learn bout bullpups..be safe over there too! i think they speak english there iirc..correct me so i will remember next time lol Wink
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2012, 09:49:39 PM »

what does it cost to buy one down there?

It costs around 1,200 USD. But it's way more cheap than an M4 carbine. There is a Norinco M$ that costs around 2,100 USD.
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2012, 10:28:31 PM »

what does it cost to buy one down there?
curious myself?  i never liked the big handle/scope mount,but that gun looks sweet as is to me for some reason..looks in good shape too!  nice find and welcome to a great place to learn bout bullpups..be safe over there too! i think they speak english there iirc..correct me so i will remember next time lol Wink

Yes sir, we speak English here.

The line of sight is 5 inches high with respect to the muzzle of the barrel. I still have to empirically determine the ballistic table for this configuration given that the barrel angle elevation is high.

Right now, the sight is set for a point of impact that is 2 inches high with respect to the point of aim at 50 meters. I think that this will yield a far zero of 200 meters (hopefully). Will post after I've conducted tests.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2012, 09:39:53 PM »

hi,

I'm from the Philippines too, I got my type 97a a few months back, put more than 500 assorted rounds to it, a few wcc rounds from the 70's, never had any ff problems at all. I'm excited with the mod that you have made to your unit, hope you can help me acquire a dovetail to picatinny mount. it looks great on your unit, thanks in advanced.
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2012, 03:44:08 AM »

Congratulations. Got the picatinny scope base mount from Metrillo. I got the red dot and magnifier from Cabelas. You can also order from Amazon. Amazon has the 5 and 7 times magnifier. I shoot at the Armscor range in Marikina. PM me your cell number so we can get in touch. I have a ballistics calculator for trajectory calculations. I'm mostly using the Armscor M193 ammo. I'm thinking of adopting a 90 meter near zero for that ammo and sights configuration. The far zero would be somewhere near 200 meters.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2012, 01:36:36 AM »

Many thanks Sir. just wondering if the Picatinny scope mount was custom built to your specs for the t97a or is it already commercially available? good thing you have a range there that goes beyond 200 mts. Ours here in Zamboanga is only up to a 100. I have Also tried a couple of boxes of the armscore M193, their good ammo's, also put some LC green tip rounds to it, sure kicks harder than a M193 round, green rounds are sometimes available cheaply here.
 
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2012, 04:46:54 AM »

The scope base mount is custom built Sir. M855 po ba ang green tipped na rounds?
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2012, 09:06:34 PM »

thats right. M855. magkano gastos sa rail mount sir? thanks
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2012, 10:17:15 PM »

Asking price was PhP 6K pero he gave me a discount. Very well made. It's has a lock so it doesn't move.
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2012, 10:39:10 PM »

Am posting ballistic graph for the 5.56 mm M193 Armscor ammo. Bullet weight is 55 grains (3.56 grams) and the ballistic coefficient is 0.248. Boattail type. Red dot is 5 inches high (13 cm) with respect to the muzzle. It is set for 95 meters near zero and 200 meters far zero.

The y coordinate units are inches. The x coordinate units are in meters.


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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2012, 06:17:56 AM »

Here's a video of the Type 97A in action. Put in around 200 rounds and no failures. There's almost no recoil.

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