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« Reply #120 on: December 30, 2016, 07:26:35 PM »

You can install the lightning bow yourself, I did and it wasn't difficult.  I did buy the IWI Barrel removal wrench for that and followed a You Tube video on my laptop.  It wasn't difficult.
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« Reply #121 on: December 31, 2016, 08:47:21 PM »

I'm sure after spending more time with the rifle the trigger feel will become more evident. Today was my first session with my new x95. I never did shoot a Tavor so I have no frame of reference. But the stock trigger on the x95 is not bad at all for what it is intended to be.

Having a hard time justifying the cost of a proper trigger upgrade when there are other things you would want to do to make this a "trigger upgrade worthy" rifle in my opinion.  Like making it a fully floated barrel for one.

That said, I'm totally happy with my x95 as it sits for what it is intended to be.
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« Reply #122 on: January 02, 2017, 01:53:58 PM »

I have held off installing the Giessele Trigger Bow and may find a IWI certified armorer.
You don't need a certified armorer. I've done this and it took me all of 15 minutes and that was really taking my time. The included instructions are very good. It might seem intimidating because it seems like you're removing a lot of parts, but once you've done it you'll see that it's not that much.

The hardest part is adjusting the slack. Even so, that's easy.
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« Reply #123 on: January 03, 2017, 12:55:20 PM »

Yesterday was my first range day with the Geissele Super Sabra.  I'm really sorry I waited so long to get it.  It was as if I had a brand new rifle.
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« Reply #124 on: January 05, 2017, 02:05:19 PM »

Anyone having trouble with the Super Sabra  hammer being too high when cocked. The problem is you can't reassemble after field stripping. Must remove sear pack to get the bolt back in. Also bolt hold open doesn't stay in place once magazine is removed.  

I sent a couple emails to Geissele,  no answer. I'll have to call them.

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« Reply #125 on: March 18, 2017, 01:14:08 AM »

I've been avoiding this issue, but will fire out my post.

The 'offended' customer Aug556shooter is actually Paul McCain, better known as Amsdorf, who was banned from this forum, and about a half dozen other gun forums, including FNForum and Arfcom, as well as a bunch of church forums, because he is a troll who enjoys posting inflammatory responses, and then launching personal attacks against responders.

He rejoined, not because he asked for re-admission, but because he faked his identity.

So yes, I rejected his order because I recognized who he was, and want nothing to do with him.  His postings suggesting he was hurt because I offered no explanation were because as soon as I rejected his order he EXACTLY knew the reason, but didn't share that because it didn't fit his narrative.

He has since been re-banned from this forum.

So yes, I stand behind my product, and will go to great lengths to make a customer happy.  But I will not abide trolls.



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« Reply #126 on: March 26, 2017, 03:04:05 PM »

Great thread!!

I think I'll start with the trigger bow on my x95 and see what that gets me
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« Reply #127 on: April 07, 2017, 04:10:04 PM »

Put the bow in and what a difference!!! I really like! It was too windy to even set up targets but I did get to put 30 rnds down range and the trigger was 100% better
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« Reply #128 on: May 18, 2017, 07:50:47 PM »

Just got a X95....what would folks recommend? Bow trigger? Geissele trigger pack? Both? Neither?
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« Reply #129 on: May 18, 2017, 08:22:32 PM »

Try it stock first.  then you will get to know what you need. 
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« Reply #130 on: June 16, 2017, 03:44:22 PM »

Have a Geissele Super Sabra trigger pack and Lightning Bow Trigger on new X-95 300BO. Confirmed 3.5 #'s using Wheeler Trigger Pull Gauge. As nice as any Timney and Geissele SSA/SSA-E's upgrades on my AR's. Very happy with it.
 
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« Reply #131 on: June 24, 2017, 12:17:44 PM »

maybe old news?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/01/death-trigger-pack-timney-tavor-bites-dust/
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« Reply #132 on: July 29, 2017, 05:04:26 PM »

maybe old news?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/01/01/death-trigger-pack-timney-tavor-bites-dust/

Reading his theory about why the hammer broke I can see how this could happen with a Canadian TAR-21 because of the different bolt carrier.  The Timney trigger pack was designed to work with the American SAR rifles.



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« Reply #133 on: August 03, 2017, 08:28:37 AM »

This is one of the risks of using less expensive cast parts versus RPS (Rolled Plate Steel) which is CNC machined.  ShootingSight does not use castings in any trigger components.

When steel is cast, there are possibilities of inclusions or micro bubbles being trapped in the steel, there are also possibilities that carbon or other alloying agents were not perfectly mixed in, so you get clumps or stringers in the casting .... all of these are weak points where cracks can initiate.

When steel plate is rolled from an ingot, the flow of the solid steel squishes (for lack of a more technical term) these defects out, so the resulting steel not only has smaller grains, but they are more homogeneous.  This means there will be fewer internal defects in the steel, and you are less prone to fatigue failure.

It is normal for castings to undergo magnaflux inspection, which try to identify internal defects before the parts leave the production facility, but some still slip through.  At ShootingSight, the number of cracked hammers we have had since we started selling triggers, including all the ones we found internally, plus the ones that consumers have sent back to us is ..... zero.  We use Rolled Plate Steel, and cracked parts is not an issue.  Google 'cracked xxxxx hammer' (insert just about any competitor's name for xxxxx), and pictures will pop up of cast parts.
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« Reply #134 on: August 31, 2017, 01:29:49 PM »

My experience with the TAV-D triggers.

Both of my SAR's run Art's Shooting Sight TAV-D triggers. Well over 7k 5.56 on one which was converted to a 9mm, with it at 2k for the 9mm and about 2k on the newer one which is and will stay 5.56.  They are both used with suppressors and find it interesting how some people are saying, I bought this brand or that brand and had to send it back?  The only thing I have had to do with mine, especially when running suppressed, is clean them a little more often.

I do carry the factory trigger just to see what type of reaction people have when I put in the factory trigger and let them shoot either the 5.56 or the 9 and then switch to the TAV-D and let them shoot it again.  So far it's been 100%, leave the TAV-D in the gun's, which I do anyway. Should one of these go south for any reason, would definitely either send it back to Shooting Sight for a fix or purchase another.

I ran a torture test on the the first SAR running 1k rounds through it with the TAV-D without doing a cleaning, occasionally adding a little oil to the bolt assembly. This was anything from the best to worst ammo available, along with a safety drop test to check the reliability of the TAV-D safety system, dropping it butt first onto solid concrete from 2 feet with no problems with the bolt charged with the safety on and off.  Some will say this is crazy but when I buy a gun I need to know if it is going to work and not go into defect mode because of a drop or hard landing. 2 cents

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« Reply #135 on: September 15, 2017, 10:21:29 AM »

I got my super sabra and lightning bow installed last night on my desk and all I can say is WOW.  By taking out the slack with the lightning bow, the feel is instantly transformed.  With the sabra trigger pack, the trigger is transformed even further (and adjustable).

At first the decision to spend such money on a trigger upgrade was questionable... and kind of still is.  But, like many have said it's like a whole different rifle with the upgrades.

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« Reply #136 on: September 15, 2017, 06:43:37 PM »

I managed to pick up the Geissele from Primary Arms for 278.88 (though they had it for 262.50 earlier) and the bow trigger for 64.88 when they had it on sale.  It might have helped that I had it in my wishlist.  I got this in June and they also had a sale, slightly cheaper in April, so watch for it if you aren't in a rush to get the trigger and you want to get it at a good price.
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« Reply #137 on: September 15, 2017, 09:44:35 PM »

black friday definitely yielded the best prices, but I don't have the patience to wait that long!

I ordered directly from Geissele because I wanted the free swap pack... plus he does free shipping

I got a nice hat, a couple patches, and a couple huge stickers which is awesome.  Kinda like when you order from Larue and you get their dillo dust, which I put on everything.
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« Reply #138 on: September 17, 2017, 12:06:27 AM »

My experience with the TAV-D triggers.

I ran a torture test on the the first SAR running 1k rounds through it with the TAV-D without doing a cleaning, occasionally adding a little oil to the bolt assembly. This was anything from the best to worst ammo available, along with a safety drop test to check the reliability of the TAV-D safety system, dropping it butt first onto solid concrete from 2 feet with no problems with the bolt charged with the safety on and off.  Some will say this is crazy but when I buy a gun I need to know if it is going to work and not go into defect mode because of a drop or hard landing. 2 cents

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For info, I test using a SAAMI test but harder.  I drop from 4 feet from the rifle CG onto concrete, safety on, in all 6 orientations.  From 12" from the lowest point onto concrete with the safety off, in all 6 orientations.  SAAMI calls for a drop onto 85-95 durometer, if I recall, about the hardness of a vinyl floor, so concrete is a step above.
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