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« on: October 06, 2011, 12:30:17 PM »

Over the past few weekends, I've been testing different commercial ammo for the RFB.

Kel-Tec claims the barrel is 18", and I haven't measured it, but it seems a little shorter than that.
The twist is 1:11.25".

The ammo I tried was grouped by bullet weight:

.308 - 168 gr:
Federal Premium Gold Medal Match Sierra Matchking BTHP
Hornady TAP FPD
Remington Premier Match Matchking BTHP

7.62x51 - 168 gr:
American Eagle "for M1A"

.308 - 165 gr:
Hornady Custom BTSP

.308 - 150 gr:
Hornady SST Superformance
Winchester Ballistic Silvertip
American Eagle FMBT

7.62x51 - 149gr:
Lake City - Federal

.308 - 147 gr:
PMC Bronz FMJ-BT

Each session started with a clean weapon, and a bore snake was run through the barrel when changing to a new ammunition.
I shot 3 "practice" rounds at the start of each new ammo, then shot (3) three-shot groups.  
All off a sand bag, using a cheap BSA 1-3x red dot set to 3x.  
The red dot of the scope is 3moa.
The local range has a 100 yard berm, with wooden covered benches set in a cement slab.  
I was shooting at a 8 inch round black target with a 1" orange round bullseye.  
 
Every weapon (and every barrel) is different and "likes" different ammo, but this exercise should give a decent overview of some of the more popular brands and bullet weights for my RFB.

Target picture for reference:



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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 12:36:20 PM »

.308 - 168 gr:
Federal Premium Gold Medal Match Sierra Matchking BTHP

The "practice/warm-up rounds" of the first volley hit low (at the very bottom of the cardboard stand), which ended up saving me a clean target (I had 4 set-up at 100yds.)

Also, the 4th volley (third picture) should have been a little tighter.  I have a habit of starting out smooth, and then by this 4th volley, got a little excited, and then settled in for the rest of the day...



* FedPremium308-168grBTHP-1.JPG (231.66 KB, 600x450 - viewed 209 times.)

* FedPremium308-168grBTHP-2.JPG (238.24 KB, 600x450 - viewed 175 times.)

* FedPremium308-168grBTHP-3.JPG (272.4 KB, 600x450 - viewed 169 times.)
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2011, 12:40:05 PM »

.308 - 168 gr:
Hornady TAP FPD


in the thrid picture - disregard what looks like a 4th hole in the "8-ring" the true shot from this volley blew the sticker off from one of the previous sessions...



* HornadyTAP308-168grMatch-1.JPG (223.67 KB, 600x450 - viewed 153 times.)

* HornadyTAP308-168grMatch-2.JPG (270.29 KB, 600x450 - viewed 146 times.)

* HornadyTAP308-168grMatch-3.JPG (269.18 KB, 600x450 - viewed 183 times.)

* HornadyTAP308-168grMatch-4.JPG (212.89 KB, 600x450 - viewed 140 times.)
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2011, 12:47:05 PM »

.308 - 168 gr:
Remington Premier Match Matchking BTHP

Note:  I hate Remington ammo (IMHO - it's dirty), so I only did the "warm-up" and two 3-round volleys.  It was shooting all over the target, so I didn't want to keep going and foul the weapon for the rest of the day...




* RemPremier308-168grBTHP-1.JPG (211.27 KB, 600x450 - viewed 140 times.)

* RemPremium308-168grBTHP-2.JPG (205.26 KB, 600x450 - viewed 121 times.)

* RemPremier308-168grBTHP-3.JPG (262.88 KB, 600x450 - viewed 134 times.)
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2011, 12:49:25 PM »

7.62x51 - 168 gr:
American Eagle "for M1A"


In the second picture - disregard the "bullseye" shot, it was from an earlier round (Hornady TAP), and I didn't have any orange stickers to cover it up.  Also, the group looks like 4 shots, but again it was a sticker falling off, so the group shot was only 3 shots.


* FedAmerEagle762-168gr-M1A-1.JPG (248.6 KB, 600x450 - viewed 183 times.)

* FedAmerEagle762-168gr-M1A-2.JPG (254.4 KB, 600x450 - viewed 189 times.)

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2011, 12:59:25 PM »

.308 - 165 gr:
Hornady Custom BTSP


first picture - not sure where the third shot went, but since this was just the warm up, oh well...
second pic - disregard the "bullseye" shot (it is still there from the TAP session (no orange stickers...)


* HornadyCustom308-165grBTSP-1.JPG (262.03 KB, 600x450 - viewed 121 times.)

* HornadyCustom308-165grBTSP-2.JPG (264.78 KB, 600x450 - viewed 122 times.)

* HornadyCustom308-168grBTSP-3.JPG (233.71 KB, 600x450 - viewed 131 times.)

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2011, 01:23:08 PM »

Summary of the heavy bullets:
My RFB loved the "Federal Premium .308-168gr Gold Medal Match BTHP" - about 1-1/2moa
It really liked the Hornady TAP FPD 168's and the Amer. Eagle M1A 168's - about 2moa
The other two were "on paper", but loose...

I don't have pictures of the rest, just my notes...

.308 - 150 gr:
Hornady SST Superformance - loose groups (around 4moa)
Winchester Ballistic Silvertip - excellent at about 1-1/2 moa
American Eagle FMBT - very good at about 2moa

7.62x51 - 149gr:
Federal Lake City FMJ - acceptable at 3moa

.308 - 147 gr:
PMC Bronz FMJ-BT - acceptable at 3moa


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So for cheap plinking:  PMC Bronz .308-147gr Boat Tails
For quality work: Federal Premium .308-168gr Gold Medal Match BTHP

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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 06:27:46 AM »

Nice report. I havn't been able to break the 1moa yet. My results are close to yours. I even tried DRT ammo. The best I have been able to do is 1.1 moa 5 shot group.  Grin   But for a bullpup in 7.62x51 it is better than I expected. mine is number 177.  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 07:13:45 AM »

Early number! 

I'm TOJ25 (1825, I think...)

I'm blaming the +1-2moa on the cheap, 3x scope I've currently got...  I know that the short barrel isn't going to produce a "one hole wonder", but I was thinking if the magnification was better, it could be at 1moa with the Gold Medal Match ammo...

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2011, 12:45:00 PM »

I agree, I was using a 4x scope.  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2011, 09:20:23 PM »

nice write up and shootin..i love the federal ammo in about every caliber myself..
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