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« on: December 31, 2019, 04:26:52 PM »

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/12/31/tfb-review-ruger-57//  

Hopefully ammo manufacturers will start making ammo.  Would be nice to get some competition between ammo manufacturers, along with lower prices.
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2019, 04:49:28 PM »

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/12/31/tfb-review-ruger-57//  

Hopefully ammo manufacturers will start making ammo.  Would be nice to get some competition between ammo manufacturers, along with lower prices.

Looks like Speer will be...
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2019, 10:26:51 PM »

Isn't the Federal American Eagle a Speer brand ammo?
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2019, 10:40:06 PM »

Isn't the Federal American Eagle a Speer brand ammo?


I didnít think so.  And the Speer will be their Gold Dot, not FMJ like American Eagle.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2019, 10:44:55 PM »

Federal and Speer are under the same umbrella, IIRC. The FN ammo uses a Speer projectile.

The new Speer ammo though is a 40 grain gold dot with a somewhat rounded nose and a large hollow point. It is supposed to meet FBI criteria for gel ballistics. It looks more like the projectile the .22 TCM uses. Supposed to be effective out to 100 yards.

I have 5K of 5.7x28 - about one third FMJ the rest mostly Federal or FN 40 gr VMax, and enough 26 grain LF. But once the Speer comes out and the price comes down and ballistic tests pan out, I will probably get about 2K of the Speer ammo - enough for a loadout for three people with a PS90 and Five Seven.



I have three Five Sevens and three PS90s. These are the SHTF GHB/BOL guns for my family of three. But I will probably get at least one Ruger 57 to try it out. I don't like the slide cut out to reduce the weight of the slide; it will let debris/etc. get into the action if dropped/etc., but I do like the optic capability and the price.
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2020, 05:40:17 PM »

I am definitely getting a Ruger 57. Was going to buy a KEL TEC .22 magnum pistol but now that the RUGER 57 is out it is really what I want as a "companion" to my PS90. I'll buy 2 extra 20 round magazines - zombies, ya know...
Hopefully it will fit in my old Bianchi military holster that my GLOCK 17 resides in.

Perhaps now FNH will lower its Five Seven pistol price to just $1,000. But who cares? I'd rather have the RUGER 57 anyway with its reliability and better ergonomics and option to wear a red dot sight.

I've owned many RUGERs and they are all reliable firearms. I feel the RUGER 57 will be as reliable as my LC9s, 96/22 mag. lever gun, 6.5 CM Precision Rifle, 10/22, etc.

Finally, as some gun writers have mentioned, RUGER's entry into the 5.7 x 28 ammo category will hopefully give that cartridge renewed popularity - which it needs.

Eric B.



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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2020, 10:57:45 PM »

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/01/speer-gold-dot-5-7x28mm-ammunition/
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2020, 12:15:07 AM »

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/01/01/speer-gold-dot-5-7x28mm-ammunition/

At over a buck a round I won't be purchasing any.  I think I'll be quite happy with using SS197 for self defense.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2020, 12:57:05 PM »

I am sure street price will be under $1 per round - probably more like 50 to 80 cents per round, especially if other manufacturers decide to jump into the fray. If you look at any premium self-defense ammo, it is usually around $1 MSRP or more.

I will get some. How much I buy depends on how well they do in gel tests (I hear they meet FBI criteria for penetration and weight retention). The problem being with any existing factory 5.7 ammo up until now, except for FMJ, the projectile fragments.

How much I buy will also depend on how much the price comes down.

I have about 5K rounds of 5.7 because the Five Seven and PS90 are the GHB/BOB/BOL firearm for me and my family - so I need enough for SHTF. I have a mix of FMJ and VMax and LF - the FMJ being for practice, the rest for defense.

I have been reluctant to buy the custom exotic ammo because of the expense (more than twice the Speer ammo) and not sure of the quality control. At the very least, I would probably get about 1K of Speer ammo for a loadout for the three of us, then fall back to the FN VMax and LF if that runs out. I have other more powerful defensive firearms, but the Five Sevens and PS90s will serve as PDWs that we always have on us (in a SHTF scenario) as that is what they are designed for.

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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2020, 04:21:15 PM »

Regarding 5.6 x 28 ammo, in the Las Vegas area so far only FN 40 gr. and Federal FMJ ammo is available. The speer ammo does not interest me B/C it likely loses some velocity with its hollow point. TheFN/Hornady A-Max plastic tip will do just fine for most situations where penetration has not a big factor and the Federal FMJ ammo works when penetration is needed.

Don't forget, these bullets tumble a lot when striking targets.

What I'm hoping for is the RuGER 57 creates so much more demand that other big ammo makers bring out good rounds with, say, 10% lower price. Let the competition begin!

Eric B.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2020, 08:36:02 PM »

I am not particularly interested in using the 5.7x28 beyond 100 meters, and less so from the pistol, so I doubt any velocity loss due the projectile profile would have an impact in my usage.

I am more interested in what the projectile does when striking a soft target - will it expand, penetrate to 12 or more inches, and retain its mass? If it does that at all distances between the muzzle and 100 meters, then I don't care what the velocity is. Since the GD is a bonded bullet, it should do well on barriers too - but I don't expect it to penetrate soft armor.
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2020, 08:36:31 PM »

As for availability, I buy my ammo online and I buy in bulk.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2020, 11:18:01 PM »

HERETIC, where do you buy your 5/7 ammo online?

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