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« on: November 12, 2018, 06:20:43 AM »

Here are some photos from Hativat Nahal's public facebook page.


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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2018, 06:21:44 AM »

Some more.


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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2018, 07:38:42 AM »

So it looks like they basically went with the newer SBR picantinny tri-rail handguard and modified rail covers with mepromor pressure switch hole, SBR full top rail that eliminates the proprietary meprolight magnifier interface/mount, and a 15 to 16 inch barrel.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2018, 11:26:35 AM »

Awesome--thanks for the pics.

Looks like the MOR is replacing the M21 as the standard sight. Is that the way things are going in general, or just for this particular brigade?
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2018, 12:03:47 PM »

Awesome--thanks for the pics.

Looks like the MOR is replacing the M21 as the standard sight. Is that the way things are going in general, or just for this particular brigade?

I'm guessing just this brigade. I have seen a good number of soldiers that have the Meprolight red dot on their X95s.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2018, 12:54:57 PM »

Awesome--thanks for the pics.

Looks like the MOR is replacing the M21 as the standard sight. Is that the way things are going in general, or just for this particular brigade?

 Welcome! The M5 (RDS Pro) has been replacing the M21 for a while now, while the MOR is usually reserved for commanders & officers. Picture #5, where nearly everyone has a MOR, was during a training session for only commanders. And picture #4 is the commanders standing in front after a march.  (Sometimes I even see old ITL MARS sights in use)  

*And anything happening in Nahal is also happening in Givati & Golani, at least eventually. It's Kfir, the Paratroopers and special units which do their own thing.


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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2018, 10:17:45 AM »

Ah ok that makes sense. I forgot about the M5. What are they using for magnification, if anything? The old X95/TAR-21 gas blocks had the optic adaptor so they could snap on the 3x magnifier, grenade launcher sight for the GTAR, night vision, etc. Are they using the new MX3 now which flips to the side?
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2018, 07:28:27 AM »

I've never seen one of those MX3 magnifiers, and can't remember seeing any magnifiers recently. I remember the old ones they used to use, I would see everywhere, but not anymore. Apparently repurposed Trijicons. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/10/21/piece-trijicon-history-idf-3x-magnifier/

Here's the only pic I've seen with what is maybe the Mepro MX3.


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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2018, 10:12:55 AM »

That does resemble an MX3, but it's hard to tell. For some reason I thought that they were a common piece of kit.
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2018, 06:13:53 PM »

Out of curiosity, how are those issued the MOR attaching the pressure switch for the LASER on the X95? The SAR had the cut-out for the switch in the fore grip. Are they just velcro-ing around the X95 fore grip or is there some neat way to mount the switch to the grip panel? I figure those using a vertical grip are just velcro-ing to the grip. I haven't found any pic's with a clear enough shot to see what the preferred method is.
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2018, 07:54:06 PM »

If you look at the 4th photo down, guy with x95 on the left. You see the pressure switch cable going into the rear of the right side rail cover. Also you can see a round button. Just like on the IDF Tavors. The IDF rail panels on the new x95 are slightly different from the US/civilian ones. They did away with the release button and went with a screw instead.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2018, 08:10:47 PM »

Thanks DubageL, my crappy monitor made that difficult to see.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2018, 02:22:42 AM »

If you look at the 4th photo down, guy with x95 on the left. You see the pressure switch cable going into the rear of the right side rail cover. Also you can see a round button. Just like on the IDF Tavors. The IDF rail panels on the new x95 are slightly different from the US/civilian ones. They did away with the release button and went with a screw instead.

Looks like he's the only one who did it right. Everyone else in these pics just velcroed the switch in different places.
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2018, 04:47:31 PM »

That does resemble an MX3, but it's hard to tell. For some reason I thought that they were a common piece of kit.

I found the MX3 in use in one unit - battalion 585, the Bedouin recon unit.


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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2018, 07:53:11 PM »

Excellent! Thanks again for the awesome pics--you have a lot of good ones. The MX3 in those photos is a different variant than the one I have. I assume mine is later, and it looks like this:


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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2018, 08:20:55 PM »

I think your magnifier is a commercial or export model. Like the newer meprolight m5 is slightly different from the IDF issued variant.
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2018, 09:53:19 AM »

I think your magnifier is a commercial or export model. Like the newer meprolight m5 is slightly different from the IDF issued variant.

https://www.themakogroup.com/mepro-tru-dot-rds-pro-mil-spec-red-dot-sight-with-2-0-moa.html/

Same unit IDF uses. No difference.
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2018, 10:29:02 AM »

There was a difference initially in/around 2015 between the original IDF issued “M5” and one commercially marketed by Mako Group as the RDS “Pro”, not the plain “RDS”. I believe it had to do with the hood design, metal vs. plastic, brightness knob settings, and internal specifications. There was some information on one of the forums comparing them actually side by side. However I think the RDS Pro is the current “upgraded” version. Much like the meprolight M21 originally in IDF service is different from the current M21 “Revision M” sight. The older version has a less reinforced housing around the ambient light gathering lenses as well as a different internal design for the tritium. From what I understand the tritium replacement in the Rev. M is easier for the factory and more like a swap out module.
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2018, 02:52:08 PM »

The difference on the red dot was in the very first batch. Meprolight sold the 1st 500 or so with metal hoods & then about a year later came up with the double the price "mil spec" version that I refer to in my post. The originals 500 with the metal hood ( I have 2 of them & they are numbered) were also supposed to be mil spec. Bottom line is yes they upgraded it...a couple of years ago.
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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2018, 11:13:15 AM »

Found another Mepro Mx3, this one on the rifle of lieutenant Eitan Fund, deputy company commander of sayeret Givati in 2014.




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