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« on: May 05, 2018, 07:38:17 AM »

Attention any Canadian Tavor owners--perhaps one of you can help me out. I'm looking to make my Tavor SAR IDF16 more clone-correct, and one of the things I'd really like to do is get rid of the front QD sling mount and replace it with the one designed for looping paracord through it, Israeli-style.

I can do 3D design and have a Creality CR10s 3D-printer, so I've been thinking about making and printing my own version of this in black ABS, but I'd like to see if it's possible to source the real part first.

Any leads would really help. Shoot me a PM. Thank you.

***Edit 5/16: Original title "WTB Israeli/Canadian paracord sling loop" edited to reflect current direction of the thread.
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2018, 09:06:07 PM »

So, you've prompted me to look up some pictures and I'm still not sure what you're talking about. Can you post a pic?

Even so, one thing I can tell you for sure, is that no 3D printed part made out of plastic will be suitable for load bearing duty.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2018, 10:13:42 PM »

Here's a pic I found on Google of a Canadian CTAR--take a look where the front QD sling attachment would be and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's a plastic piece with a loop for paracord to go through.

You're definitely right that a 3D-printed part in plastic would not be suitable for load-bearing duty; however, I could also upload the file to Shapeways and have them print it in blackened steel.

I'd rather have the authentic polymer part though... I'm looking for this piece for the X95, as well, but I think even the Canadian X95s have the QD attachment now. I called IWI US about it and they of course do not carry them and have no intention of doing so. They mentioned something about North Sylva in Canada possibly having them, but their website doesn't seem to be working right currently and I'm not sure how to contact them.


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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2018, 10:58:08 PM »

Good pic. I see now what you're looking for.

I don't think it would be hard to mill that piece out of aluminum. The question is, how does it attach to the rifle? I don't have a SAR so, I'm not familiar with that attachment point.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2018, 01:42:19 AM »

Good pic. I see now what you're looking for.

I don't think it would be hard to mill that piece out of aluminum. The question is, how does it attach to the rifle? I don't have a SAR so, I'm not familiar with that attachment point.

That's true. I have a lathe and a mill. I could lathe out the basic shape and then mill it, and then contour the edges before anodizing it. The tricky thing about it is that the QD sling attachment has a screw that goes through it. Check it out here:

https://iwi.us/product/tavor-sar-sling-swivel-attachment-kit/

Since I have no way of seeing how the Israeli version is constructed on the inside, I'd have to design something else that would at least look correct from the outside. It would have to allow me to reuse the screw piece so that would match up with the plastic connector and retaining clip on the other side.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2018, 11:28:45 PM »

Yeah, in your situation, getting it to look correct is really the goal. I think you can do it. I think you should do it.

Personally I love making my own parts whenever it makes sense. It brings me closer to the rifle. I want pics when you're done.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2018, 01:24:15 PM »

Yeah, in your situation, getting it to look correct is really the goal. I think you can do it. I think you should do it.

Personally I love making my own parts whenever it makes sense. It brings me closer to the rifle. I want pics when you're done.

Thanks. I'm thinking about designing it actually so that the piece has a shank, which would take the place of the screw. I'd just tap it on the other end and drill that tiny hole in it for the retaining pin. This way the sling loop/screw is all one piece. Anodized aluminum would be easiest material-wise, but parkerized steel would be a lot stronger... I'll play around with it in Fusion 360 when I have some time this weekend hopefully and post some pics of the model.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2018, 11:43:00 AM »

These would be pretty close to the Israeli style loop, but not cheap: https://www.nsdefense.us/products/kac-knight-armament-company-non-qd-sling-swivel-hk-hook?variant=46429761556

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2018, 10:45:53 PM »

These would be pretty close to the Israeli style loop, but not cheap: https://www.nsdefense.us/products/kac-knight-armament-company-non-qd-sling-swivel-hk-hook?variant=46429761556

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That is a pretty good option--thank you for that. That would let people use both QD and paracord loops if they wanted to. Being an accuracy nut myself, however, I'm designing a replica piece that I'm going to have 3-D printed in steel, which I'll then finish and parkerize myself. I'll keep you all posted on my progress.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2018, 11:57:19 AM »

Made some progress in Fusion. I'm going to have Shapeways print this in steel ($26). I'll probably have to go over the threads with an 8-36 die on my lathe and clean up the tiny hole for the retaining pin, but I think this is going to work out nicely. I'll then powder coat it matte black after cleaning it up a bit to give it a more "plastic" look.

If everything turns out as planned, I'll do a replica like this for my IDF X95 clone as well.


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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2018, 12:02:02 PM »

Here are the reference pics I'm using.


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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2018, 11:12:02 AM »

Made a prototype of the paracord loop last night on the 3D printer finally. Came out great. Fits perfectly, although I'm already starting to think I may want to make it so I can reuse the threaded steel screw piece that comes with the standard version, so I may redesign this a bit. Either way, the paracord loop looks really accurate to my eye so I'm happy with that.


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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2018, 02:54:04 AM »

That looks great! Ridiculous that IWI won't produce these, that we have to do it ourselves. There's a similar piece on the X95 over the middle QD mount. I'd want one of those.


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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2018, 12:25:15 PM »

That looks great! Ridiculous that IWI won't produce these, that we have to do it ourselves. There's a similar piece on the X95 over the middle QD mount. I'd want one of those.

Thanks! I'll definitely be doing the sling loop for the X95 after I finish up the one for the SAR. My IDF-ish X95 doesn't look right without it. With the redesign, I'm hoping it will be a drop-in replacement for the OEM QD piece. That will make things less complicated. I'd like to have them printed in aluminum, polished up and then matte black powder coated as I think that will approximate the OEM plastic finish a lot better. I have no idea how the real ones are constructed. My guess would be some kind of steel that's been molded around with polymer. I just can't imagine the loops would be polymer only--that would break too easily. The plastic could become brittle over time with sun exposure and then be prone to snapping right off if the sling were jerked hard enough for some reason. Be that as it may, my replica will be made of metal so it will be bulletproof.

It's a shame IWI won't make these available, but hey, gives me extra 3D-design practice... If IWI really doesn't get their stuff together, I may just make my own replica of the IDF round foregrip...  Evil

Stay tuned for progress.
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2018, 11:52:41 PM »

Finished the redesign. It now allows you to reuse the OEM steel screw, so it is a direct drop-in replacement for the QD swivel holder that the Tavor comes with stock.

I printed a prototype in black ABS and it works perfectly. Next step is to have Shapeways print it in aluminum, then I will bead blast it and powder coat it matte black for a more OEM appearance. Then I'll get to work on to the paracord loop for the X95.


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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2018, 12:32:48 AM »

Looking good. I think you have it.
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2018, 11:37:39 AM »

Iím in for an x95 loop.
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« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2018, 07:50:01 PM »

Looking good Balator. Question. On the beat up X95s you  posted above. What's the hole in the stock with that paracord all about?
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« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2018, 08:44:47 PM »

Thatís the IDFs sling loop. On the US civilian models there is a QD sling socket installed. But you can still put paracord through it like the IDF.
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2018, 10:14:30 AM »

SITREP or update on status of X-95 version? Very interested in getting one. 
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