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« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2018, 12:30:35 AM »

I just don't see why many expect EVER GUN to hit 1 MOA including the Tavor...the Tavor has never been marketed as a marksman rifle...its an infantry rifle first and foremost.

Very true. But for a rifle that should be able to reach out to 800 meters...it would be nice to have that level of accuracy. Time will tell. If I can get 3 consistent shots on steel at that distance, I will be quite satisfied.

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« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2018, 01:24:57 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2018, 09:42:22 AM »

Would love it if the Tavor 7 were capable of 2-2.5 MOA with military surplus ammo and 1.5MOA with match ammo.  Everything else being equal I'd always prefer a more accurate gun to a less accurate one.  But anyone thinking that their going to be able to regularly take this gun out to 1000 yards is not being realistic.

This rifle is a semi-auto.  In my experience semi-auto's require a lot of skill to shoot accurately.  Bullpen rifles even more so.  Most of us are going to contribute at least .25-.5 MOA to the inherent inaccuracy of the rifle.

Also, the scope I want on a 1000 yard rifle is different than what I'd put on a rifle I want to be able to shoot with some speed at 50-200 yards. 

Finally, the .308 round is not optimal for long distance shooting.  According to the ballistic table I just checked 10 mph wind is going to move the bullet approx. 93" at 1000 yards.  That's almost 8 feet. You misread the wind speed or direction and you are going to miss the target by a couple of feet.   Between 900 and 1000 yards the bullet drops 110", so you better be shooting at a fixed distance or have a high quality rangefinder.  Anyone who's actually shot at 1000 yards can tell you that just because a rifle can hold 1.5 MOA doesn't mean that you will can reliably hit a 15" target at 1000.  If only it were that simple.
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« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2018, 06:06:13 AM »

But 5.56 typically packs about 1,400 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle.

Typical .308 is around 2,800 ft-lbs at the muzzle.

.308 will generally put a bigger dent in armor it does not penetrate.

.308 has a greater potential to over-penetrate some targets than 5.56

With that said, the only real differences in .308 and 5.56 out to say 300 yards are:

1) .308 has twice the energy and .30 caliber tends to makes bigger holes in things than .22 caliber

2) .308 has more felt recoil than 5.56 so follow up shots will be slower

3) .308 semi-auto's generally have less magazine capacity than 5.56 (20 to 25 rounds versus) typically 30 rounds

4) .308 platforms are heavier to handle double the power .308 has over 5.56

5) .308 ammo is a lot heavier and takes a lot more space than 5.56 and will allow less armor for the same loadout weight and/or volume

With that said, your odds of dropping a deer with a poorly placed .308 round are a lot better than with a poorly placed 5.56 round. I'm of the mindset that since I expect in hard times I will need to do more hunting than defense, the .308's advantages and utility outweigh its disadvantages over 5.56 for me.

If TSHTF, I won't have a radio to call for backup, reinforcements on foot, airborne troops, CAS (close air support), a drone strike, supporting artillery fire, armored vehicles and all of the other cool stuff that backs up the M4's our troops are armed with. All I'll have is one rifle and all I can do is hope I can do my part and hope the caliber I have does its part.


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