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« on: November 08, 2017, 04:24:09 PM »

Hi Guys,

I waited (and waited) for the factory X95 SBR to be released. Got impatient and bought a 16" ODG X95 and sent off the Form 1. Just got back the stamp a few weeks ago.

I am still missing the 13" barrel and the ODG short foregrip. Does anyone have any information on when either of those parts will be available? I have seen the black short foregrip for most of a year but haven't heard anything about the part in ODG.

Thanks for your time.
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2017, 11:54:35 PM »

I think IWI is focusing on other priorities at the moment. I wouldn't hold your breath for this barrel, although it is certainly coming... some day. Perhaps next year after the release of the Tavor 7.

Any way you can modify the 16.5" barrel? Have ADCO or a qualified gunsmith chop it down and lathe out the groove for the plastic collar in the short handguard?

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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2017, 10:01:06 AM »

Hi Guys,

I waited (and waited) for the factory X95 SBR to be released. Got impatient and bought a 16" ODG X95 and sent off the Form 1. Just got back the stamp a few weeks ago.

I am still missing the 13" barrel and the ODG short foregrip. Does anyone have any information on when either of those parts will be available? I have seen the black short foregrip for most of a year but haven't heard anything about the part in ODG.

Thanks for your time.

IWI US sells the 13” rail and short hand guard so all you’d need to do is chop your barrel down to 330mm.  Hell some places will thread for $50 so I’m guess you’d be looking at around $100 to cut down and thread.
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2017, 11:44:28 AM »

Well, the short foregrip they carry is only availiable in Black and FDE. Of course mine is ODG... I'll either have to throw a black one on there for now or keep waiting, but looking at their available X95's, it looks like ODG is being phased out as an option and maybe that's why I am not seeing a short foregrip offered in that color?

The barrel I will look into having cut and threaded, perhaps ADCO if I can't find a good local guy.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2017, 12:16:18 PM »

Well, the short foregrip they carry is only availiable in Black and FDE.

yeah i realized that after i posted...was like...s*** this guy said ODG and then figured you already checked the site.  i have a guy who works at blacksheeparms.com who cerakotes.  he might be able to for $20 bucks and that includes sandblasting and proper bake.  otherwise, you might be able to duracoat...but then again duracoat aerosol usually runs $20-35 for a can.

that or someone close to you does professional cerakote...couldn't imagine it being that expensive.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2017, 12:53:33 PM »

I just heard back from IWI.

They said they will not offer the short foregrip in ODG (even though the website said 'coming soon' when I bought the ODG X95, boo) and suggested either just using a black one or like you recommended, duracoat or cerakote.

I am not that familiar with duracoat or cerakote. Do you think they would be able to match the color fairly closely to the rest of the body or does it all need coated?

I also asked if I could just swap the rest of the body out for black or FDE, but IWI said the receiver is not meant to be separated from the body.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2017, 11:42:19 PM »

Few guys here have SBR'd their Tavors.
One guy cut his down to 9'' iirc.
I believe they all cut their barrels down. 
Last time I had a smith cut down a barrel the total cost was about 150$, but he did a little extra work as well.(wasn't a tavor.)

I would contact IWI and ask them if they will cut your barrel for you.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2017, 02:00:22 PM »

I would contact IWI and ask them if they will cut your barrel for you.

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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2017, 12:32:07 AM »

I would contact IWI and ask them if they will cut your barrel for you.

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AE

It's worth a shot, and if they did you would know they did it right.

My concern with shortening the barrel would be knowing if the gas port is the correct size for the barrel length.  Speaking with some IWI reps might at least might point someone into the right direction.  Dwell times as gas port diameters are extremely important for various reasons.

But ya, you might be right with the lulz, but if enough people asked these questions IWI just might be inclined to help customers.  IWI reps read this forum, and if enough customers ask, they will probably answer.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2017, 12:43:06 AM »

I had spoken with mr. Kassnar at the nra show in Atlanta a few months ago about that. He had said they would not cut the barrels down due to flaking and erosion of the chrome lining.
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2018, 10:56:11 AM »

...and we're still waiting. What's the BS excuse this quarter, IWI? Let me guess, they're coming out the first quarter of 2019.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2018, 08:54:12 PM »

I’m just gonna send mine off to Class Three machining in Texas to cut it down.
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2018, 11:04:12 AM »

...and we're still waiting. What's the BS excuse this quarter, IWI? Let me guess, they're coming out the first quarter of 2019.  Roll Eyes

On Sep 28 IWI US teased the SBR on instagram.  Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2018, 10:41:13 PM »

I would contact IWI and ask them if they will cut your barrel for you.

LOL

AE

It's worth a shot, and if they did you would know they did it right.

My concern with shortening the barrel would be knowing if the gas port is the correct size for the barrel length.  Speaking with some IWI reps might at least might point someone into the right direction.  Dwell times as gas port diameters are extremely important for various reasons.

But ya, you might be right with the lulz, but if enough people asked these questions IWI just might be inclined to help customers.  IWI reps read this forum, and if enough customers ask, they will probably answer.

I would be surprised if IWI USA had the machines for the process of cutting and threading barrels.
They basically assemble weapons over here, not manufacture them or do gunsmithing. Basically armorer's not gunsmiths.

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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2018, 05:10:07 AM »

I believe the issue to begin with was that they could not import the Israeli made short 13” barrels due to them being classified by ATF as “non-sporting” purpose. Which was the reason they had to be made in the US. So IWI US would need to have them made by a third party to IWI specifications or invest in equipment to manufacture them in-house. Which would be a very costly investment. Unless that has now changed.
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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2018, 09:50:21 AM »

I believe the issue to begin with was that they could not import the Israeli made short 13” barrels due to them being classified by ATF as “non-sporting” purpose. Which was the reason they had to be made in the US. So IWI US would need to have them made by a third party to IWI specifications or invest in equipment to manufacture them in-house. Which would be a very costly investment. Unless that has now changed.

Interesting. My understanding of the 2nd amendment is that the people expressly have the natural right to bear arms for non-sporting purposes (i.e. war) in the case of radical government tyranny. But wait. That's changed. The constitution is a living document. The government could never become tyrannical nowadays, so we only need guns for hunting and shooting clays. Thank goodness we live in such a safe and happy world where rainbows appear every day and unicorns frolic in the meadows and nothing bad ever happens. Socialists are always so nice to those they disagree with or deem unnecessary, right?

Sporting purposes BS. NFA is BS. When are we gun owners of the non-Fudd variety going to stand together and defeat these un-American and dangerous laws that would have us all declawed and ripe for the picking?

If Dubagel is right, it looks like folks are going to have to chop down their 16.5" or 18.5" barrels if they want a 13" X95 SBR. Keep in mind the plastic barrel ring that integrates with the front handguard--that requires a little step to be lathed into the barrel for it to fit. If anyone does this conversion, please show it off!

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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2018, 10:48:32 AM »

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Interesting. My understanding of the 2nd amendment is that the people expressly have the natural right to bear arms for non-sporting purposes (i.e. war) in the case of radical government tyranny. But wait. That's changed. The constitution is a living document. The government could never become tyrannical nowadays, so we only need guns for hunting and shooting clays. Thank goodness we live in such a safe and happy world where rainbows appear every day and unicorns frolic in the meadows and nothing bad ever happens. Socialists are always so nice to those they disagree with or deem unnecessary, right?

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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2018, 11:21:01 AM »

I believe the issue to begin with was that they could not import the Israeli made short 13” barrels due to them being classified by ATF as “non-sporting” purpose. Which was the reason they had to be made in the US. So IWI US would need to have them made by a third party to IWI specifications or invest in equipment to manufacture them in-house. Which would be a very costly investment. Unless that has now changed.

Not sure if that 100% accurate...a barrel is not a serialized part and can be imported...IWI US does not import whole Tavor from Isreal into the US...only certain parts...then they are made into rifles here stateside.

I believe the only thing Israeli on our Tavors is the barrel, bolt carrier and guts...
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2018, 11:42:33 AM »

The barrel issue started in 2005 with a change on importation regulations for barrels.  Search for 2005 barrel ban.  Here is the ATF link:
https://www.atf.gov/file/84901/download

This was a huge blow to people building guns from parts kits.
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2018, 03:45:55 PM »

From my understanding they have to make the barrels here.  Also it is my understanding that IWI already makes barrels here, so it's just a matter of time before we get SBR barrels, unless they decide it's not worth the effort. 
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