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« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2017, 04:46:05 PM »

https://youtu.be/Py9L8fntsJ8
IWI TAVOR 7 Assault Rifle 7.62X51mm

Not sure how this didn't make it into this thread.

Guess IWI liked the charging system of the MDR. Imitation is after all the highest form of flattery.
I can see what Nick was saying about the X95/ Tavor & mag release.  That thing is way too far back to actuate like an AR. You'd have to deform your firing grip to hit it with you index finger. That or contort your finger and push it with the tip instead of the pad.
Not ambidextrous either. Nowhere in the video do you see them shooting it left handed. If you look at the 1:20 timestamp you see why.  Where he is getting his cheek-weld half his mouth would be in the ejection-port.  Not really my idea of a good time getting 7.62mm brass in the teeth.
Not really sure how this is considered competition for the MDR, it's just a .308 bullpup that really doesn't address any of the inherent design challenges.
Mention the lack of caliber change and higher weight than the MDR and you got yourself a flame war! Grin
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« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2017, 09:40:25 PM »

https://youtu.be/Py9L8fntsJ8
IWI TAVOR 7 Assault Rifle 7.62X51mm

Not sure how this didn't make it into this thread.

Guess IWI liked the charging system of the MDR. Imitation is after all the highest form of flattery.
I can see what Nick was saying about the X95/ Tavor & mag release.  That thing is way too far back to actuate like an AR. You'd have to deform your firing grip to hit it with you index finger. That or contort your finger and push it with the tip instead of the pad.
Not ambidextrous either. Nowhere in the video do you see them shooting it left handed. If you look at the 1:20 timestamp you see why.  Where he is getting his cheek-weld half his mouth would be in the ejection-port.  Not really my idea of a good time getting 7.62mm brass in the teeth.
Not really sure how this is considered competition for the MDR, it's just a .308 bullpup that really doesn't address any of the inherent design challenges.
Mention the lack of caliber change and higher weight than the MDR and you got yourself a flame war! Grin

the charging system? isn't similar to the MDR...if anything it's taking design cues from the RFB or ARX.  the MDR doesn't require a switch from side to side; advantage MDR.  speaking of imitation and flattery, the MDR bolt release and mag release on the magwell is straight out of the IWI/tavor camp.  and i'm not sure what video you were watching but the mag release is ambi; go back and watch the video closer.  on paper the MDR wins regarding features though.

the tavor 7 doesn't address design challenges?  it offers an ambi charging handle, mag release and ejection.  no they're not on-the-fly features that the MDR offers.  but, then again, you don't have to remove the hand guard to adjust the gas system on the tavor 7 and the hand guard does include an integrated pic rail.

i understand your sentiment though and find myself prioritizing the MDR over the tavor 7 for it's industry leading on-the-fly design and modularity.

  
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« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2017, 10:23:32 AM »

Nobody in IWI (as opposed to their US subsidiary) even knows anything about these small civilian companies like Kel-Tec or Desert Tech (which only produce for hobbyists), let alone would take 'design cues' from them. They offer no competition in their primary market, which is military contracts.

Like Steyr, they don't produce for the US civilian market, except as a secondary place to make some extra profits.

They are producing these for their military clients, like Vietnam, Azerbaijan, etc - who already buy their other weapons, and who use 7.62. The competition they're facing for these contracts is from huge companies like Kalashnikov Concern.
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« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2017, 11:21:02 PM »

Nobody in IWI (as opposed to their US subsidiary) even knows anything about these small civilian companies like Kel-Tec or Desert Tech (which only produce for hobbyists), let alone would take 'design cues' from them. They offer no competition in their primary market, which is military contracts.

Like Steyr, they don't produce for the US civilian market, except as a secondary place to make some extra profits.

They are producing these for their military clients, like Vietnam, Azerbaijan, etc - who already buy their other weapons, and who use 7.62. The competition they're facing for these contracts is from huge companies like Kalashnikov Concern.


If this keeps you warm at night, feel free to keep believing it.
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