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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2017, 09:49:47 AM »

It is time to start fighting, start writing, there are several bills being introduced by Republicans and Democrats alike that are vague and could spell the end of semi-auto rifles.

This is no joke...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCLoIorYguU&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2017, 11:22:27 AM »

It is time to start fighting, start writing, there are several bills being introduced by Republicans and Democrats alike that are vague and could spell the end of semi-auto rifles.

This is no joke...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCLoIorYguU&feature=youtu.be

And the NRA's backstabbing is entirely within the scope of this damned gun grab!! LaPierre claimed that they wanted to avoid "fuzzing" the line between full auto and semi-auto with their preemptive surrender, but they've managed to accomplish exactly the opposite!

You can't reason with emotional fools. You can only say NO! with as much force as you can muster.
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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2017, 05:37:01 PM »

I've never contacted any congressman ever, until today. Here's what I wrote:

"...Until then I already want to voice my opinion on a troubling piece of legislation I read about - Bill H.R. 3999 by Rep. Curbelo which, being so poorly written and open ended, has the potential to lead to the banning of all self-loading rifles eventually. And even if not that far, at least competition triggers, heavier springs or light buffers. A terrible infringement on our 2nd amendment rights... [...] Please do your best to help defeat this legislation."
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2017, 06:15:22 PM »

We are everywhere, and we will fight however need be to protect our constitutional rights, for ourselves, and future generations.



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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2017, 06:18:35 PM »

F the NRA, bunch of fuds that only care about shotguns and bolt rifles.  They are wolves in sheep clothing, bunch of socialist tea drinking red coats.
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« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2017, 04:48:48 PM »

One thing to keep in mind, the door WILL swing the opposite direction.

There are many against President Trump. Doubt he or the Republicans will have a chance in 2020.

I think 2018 will begin the swing to VOTE (Vote Out The Establishment) and Trump will win again in 2020. Everything he is doing now is shinning light on the swamp and exposing the elites for who they truly are, regardless of their political affiliation.

Hopefully we will have true red blooded Americans running in '18 and 2020 to replace the incumbent swamp scum...
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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2017, 01:22:45 AM »

F the NRA, bunch of fuds that only care about shotguns and bolt rifles.  They are wolves in sheep clothing, bunch of socialist tea drinking red coats.

There are a lot of members more rabid about the 2A than your 3% bunch, Rabbit.  The problem is that they're swayed to drop their membership before they're vested enough to vote on the board.  Changing the board is the only way the NRA will, as an organization, change. 

As for calling those of us in the NRA a bunch of Fudds, I submit that your very behavior alienates those who might be your allies into acting to spite you or simply ignoring your rants (accurate or not).
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« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2017, 05:11:50 PM »

F the NRA, bunch of fuds that only care about shotguns and bolt rifles.  They are wolves in sheep clothing, bunch of socialist tea drinking red coats.


There are a lot of members more rabid about the 2A than your 3% bunch, Rabbit.  The problem is that they're swayed to drop their membership before they're vested enough to vote on the board.  Changing the board is the only way the NRA will, as an organization, change. 

As for calling those of us in the NRA a bunch of Fudds, I submit that your very behavior alienates those who might be your allies into acting to spite you or simply ignoring your rants (accurate or not).


Do you think I was calling every single donating member a fudd, or do you think I was talking about their leaders/PR?

I don't care what anyone thinks, the NRA is run by a bunch of nuttless cowards that only care about the donations they get..  They haven't protected our rights, they have supported gun control for about 100 years.  They supported the NFA in 1934.  The NRA is half the reason why we don't have machine guns, they have worked hand in hand with the commies for longer than I have been alive.  When they currently go on record saying we need to regulate bumpfire because it simulates full auto, you know they are run by a bunch of fudds.  I feel bad for all the people who have given the NRA endless donations, and I am glad they never saw a penny from me.  Don't be offended by my red coat comment unless you support ''regulating'' bumpfire stocks as well. 
I have no intention of ever supporting a supposed pro gun organisation that has publicly supported anti gun laws every decade for the past 100 years.


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Do notice the subtitle of NRA’s 1968 article below. A "97-year record" of supporting gun control, to NRA’s management, was a matter of pride. Some things never change:
"We think it’s reasonable to support the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act. … We think it’s reasonable to expect full enforcement of federal firearms laws by the federal government. … That’s why we support Project Exile -- the fierce prosecution of federal gun laws … we think it’s reasonable because it works. … We only support what works and our list is proud."
— NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre
Congressional Testimony, May 27, 1999
Hearing Before 106th Congress
House of Representatives
Committee On The Judiciary
Subcommittee On Crime
First Session

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NRA Executive Vice-President Franklin Orth agreed at a congressional hearing that mail-order sales should be banned stating, “We do think that any sane American, who calls himself an American, can object to placing into this bill the instrument which killed the president of the United States.” The NRA also supported California’s Mulford Act of 1967, which had banned carrying loaded weapons in public in response to the Black Panther Party’s impromptu march on the State Capitol to protest gun control legislation on May 2, 1967.

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In order to "put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts," NRA management also pressed the federal government, in 1968, to:
"Regulate the movement of handguns in interstate and foreign commerce by:
"A. requiring a sworn statement, containing certain information, from the purchaser to the seller for the receipt of a handgun in interstate commerce;"
That’s a registration list.
"B. providing for notification of local police of prospective sales;"
That’s another registration mechanism.
"C. requiring an additional 7-day waiting period by the seller after receipt of acknowledgement of notification to local police;"
Wait a week to exercise your inalienable rights.
"D. prescribing a minimum age of 21 for obtaining a license to sell firearms and increasing the license fees;"
That is called Age Discrimination. In essence, in 1968, the NRA was saying "You can go die over in Vietnam for your country at age 18, but you can’t sell a constitutionally protected item to your own neighbors for three more years."
"E. providing for written notification by manufacturer or dealer to carrier that a firearm is being shipped in interstate commerce;"
"Carrier" includes the U.S. Postal Service — another ripe opportunity for the federal government to collect names of gun buyers.
"F. increasing penalties for violation." (P. 22-23)
What do you think America’s Founders would say about the NRA calling for "increasing penalties for violation" of unconstitutional gun laws?
At least as early as 1930, the NRA supported:
" … requir[ing] the purchaser of a pistol to give information about himself which is submitted by the seller to local police authorities … "
Historically noteworthy is the fact that the Germans were simultaneously doing the same thing, laying the groundwork for a Hitler to happen.
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" … requir[ing] a license to carry a pistol concealed on one’s person or in a vehicle … " [emphasis mine]
Ever heard of a license to carry a firearm in a vehicle? NRA has — over 70 years ago.
Not only has NRA management long supported gun owner registration, they’ve worked hard for it and still do. And NRA’s current management still supports "penalties" for exercising your rights, which they now call "zero tolerance enforcement". (See Project Exile Condemnation Coalition and the Project Exile Archives for more information.)
"Many other instances of NRA support for worthwhile gun legislation could be quoted. But these suffice to show that Senator Kennedy’s ’terrible indictment’ of the NRA is groundless." (P. 23)
"Worthwhile gun legislation"?
The "terrible indictment" of NRA, as you will see in the full text below, was that NRA didn’t support gun control. NRA set that matter straight with a loud thud. NRA Management still to this day supports a wide variety of ever-complex gun controls. And despite taking in hundreds of millions of dollars a year, they’ve still never managed a Supreme Court court victory based on the Second Amendment’s historically-valid "individual right" argument. It’s no wonder — their version of the Second Amendment is different from that of America’s Founding Fathers.
Do notice the subtitle of NRA’s 1968 article below. A "97-year record" of supporting gun control, to NRA’s management, was a matter of pride. Some things never change:

and so on...  F the NRA.


No I don't hate people that pay the NRA to '' protect their second amendment rights ''  I feel bad for them because they are misguided by a veil of maya.  The NRA has long supported gutting the second amendment, and it is all on public record if you dig around. 


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« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2017, 05:22:08 PM »

Just in Chicago this year...
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Year to Date
Shot & Killed: 526
Shot & Wounded: 2496
Total Shot: 3022
Total Homicides: 565



3022 shootings in Chicago just this year... How many of those shooters do you think filled out a 4473?  You know, the 4473's that the NRA supported implementing.
I'm guessing maybe 1%, because 9/10 of those shooters are gang members or convicted felons.

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« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2017, 07:52:22 PM »

Many are pissed at the NRA right now. Many are clueless about what the NRA actually stated their position was.

If ya don't like the NRA, don't join, don't send money. Personally, I can respect YOUR decision to do what you like.

As for me.....I support the NRA. I know how politics work, I know how the NRA works. There HAS to be compromise from time to time. Its just they was shiOt works. Those that can not realize that fact are simply not being realistic. If it weren't for the NRA, we would have been screwed LONG ago.

Go educate an anti- arguing and bickering amongst ourselves is simply foolish. Pick what you FEEL will best support our 2nd Amendment tights and stick by it. Don't ridicule and criticize those that take a different route than you do.

Don't worry......be happy.
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« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2017, 09:40:46 PM »

There HAS to be compromise from time to time. Its just they was shiOt works. Those that can not realize that fact are simply not being realistic. If it weren't for the NRA, we would have been screwed LONG ago.


''Compromising'' is what got us where we are today, where you go to prison for ten years if your rifle barrel is 15.9 '' long, or if you throw a thin butt pad on a Tavor; or how if a 17 year old has 9mm ammo they become a lifetime felon, compromising is why if you put a vertical forgrip on a pistol you spend a decade with bubba in the pen, compromising is why we can't get any imported rifles that have more than 10 parts or double stack magazine wells.

If we keep compromising we will be left with heavily licensed and regulated bolt action 22's and shotguns just like so many other countries.

Every time we ''compromise'' we give up another piece of the pie, another god given right.


Compromising is going to leave our grandkids paying 60% income tax to a totalitarian/communist government who will imprison them for owning semi automatic weapons.


Just saying.

No compromising is left to be done, our rights are already gutted... Just look at California, chicago, and new york, guns are so restricted that owning a standard configured AR will land you in prison making you a lifetime felon... And those cities are complete ghetto's where criminals, thugs, and drug addicts run wild while law abiding citizens have no gun rights and pay high taxes.

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« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2017, 09:56:55 PM »

BTW I wasn't attacking anyone in this thread, or anyone who donates to the NRA.
I am directly talking smack on the NRA for supporting gun control for the past 100 years however, they are part of the reason that the NFA exists in the first place, and every big ''ban'' since then.   Anyone remember the 90's?


No compromise... Not one inch.
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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2017, 12:50:06 AM »

BTW I wasn't attacking anyone in this thread, or anyone who donates to the NRA.
I am directly talking smack on the NRA for supporting gun control for the past 100 years however, they are part of the reason that the NFA exists in the first place, and every big ''ban'' since then.   Anyone remember the 90's?


No compromise... Not one inch.

The only way the NRA will change is if those member eligible to vote will vote in a more responsive BoD.  Five years of yearly membership or Life Membership and you can vote.
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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2017, 12:54:15 AM »

F the NRA, bunch of fuds that only care about shotguns and bolt rifles.  They are wolves in sheep clothing, bunch of socialist tea drinking red coats.


There are a lot of members more rabid about the 2A than your 3% bunch, Rabbit.  The problem is that they're swayed to drop their membership before they're vested enough to vote on the board.  Changing the board is the only way the NRA will, as an organization, change. 

As for calling those of us in the NRA a bunch of Fudds, I submit that your very behavior alienates those who might be your allies into acting to spite you or simply ignoring your rants (accurate or not).


Do you think I was calling every single donating member a fudd, or do you think I was talking about their leaders/PR?

I don't care what anyone thinks, the NRA is run by a bunch of nuttless cowards that only care about the donations they get..  They haven't protected our rights, they have supported gun control for about 100 years.  They supported the NFA in 1934.  The NRA is half the reason why we don't have machine guns, they have worked hand in hand with the commies for longer than I have been alive.  When they currently go on record saying we need to regulate bumpfire because it simulates full auto, you know they are run by a bunch of fudds.  I feel bad for all the people who have given the NRA endless donations, and I am glad they never saw a penny from me.  Don't be offended by my red coat comment unless you support ''regulating'' bumpfire stocks as well. 
I have no intention of ever supporting a supposed pro gun organisation that has publicly supported anti gun laws every decade for the past 100 years.

Based on your previous comments, yes, I do believe that you were calling all members who support the NRA "fudds".  Your words, not mine.

As for b!tching about the NRA, since you never joined and were never part of it, you really don't have much room to complain about what they do or don't do.  You've never voted for proactive board members, a better president, or anything like that, other than stand on the sidelines and point your finger at them and tell them how they're worthless bums.

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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2017, 05:08:26 AM »

Oh give me a f-ing break.  You know damn well I didn't call you a fudd, and spare me on the change the nra from the inside bit.  That's like saying we should donate to democrats to make them advocate conservative principals.

  What has the NRA done for California,New York, Chicago, Colorado etc?


Don't be blindfolded.  Look through it into the big picture.  The NRA is in bed with every corrupt politician in DC.  It's all about money for them, they don't give a s*** about us peasants and our rights.  
When the NRA backed the National Firearms Act back in the thirties they knew it would not affect them because they were so rich they could all easily afford those $200 tax stamps. That's why they started the whole NFA in the first place is so that rich people could have power over us peasants, while s***ting on our founding fathers.  




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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2017, 05:13:43 AM »

At this pace, our grand children will be paying much more than 50% of their income into tax.  They will be forced to at gunpoint like we are now.  The only difference is our grandchildren won't have firearms to protect themselves from tyranny.
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2017, 06:25:50 AM »

Seems you're just here for an argument


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« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2017, 03:17:48 PM »

I'm with RabbitSlayer. The NRA is supposed to promote the 2nd amendment. One doesn't have to be a member to complain when the organization takes decidedly anti-2nd amendment positions. And yes, if you're a "gun person" but you're against having bump-stocks and full auto be legal, you're a Fudd. The NRA is full of Fudds.

I was an NRA member but I never will be again. I'm with GOA now, and hopefully they don't become corrupt and lose sight of the bigger picture when they get big like the NRA has.
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« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2017, 06:57:02 PM »

I'm with RabbitSlayer. The NRA is supposed to promote the 2nd amendment. One doesn't have to be a member to complain when the organization takes decidedly anti-2nd amendment positions. And yes, if you're a "gun person" but you're against having bump-stocks and full auto be legal, you're a Fudd. The NRA is full of Fudds.

I was an NRA member but I never will be again. I'm with GOA now, and hopefully they don't become corrupt and lose sight of the bigger picture when they get big like the NRA has.

I'll be the first to declare that I am proud to be a card carrying NRA "Fudd"!
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« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2017, 08:57:56 PM »

Oh give me a f-ing break.  You know damn well I didn't call you a fudd, and spare me on the change the nra from the inside bit.  That's like saying we should donate to democrats to make them advocate conservative principals.

Stop right here.

First, textual conversation is an imprecise medium at best, and after close to thirty years of being online in one form or another I've taken the position not to try and "read into" what people are saying; I take their words at face value.  This is why I tend to use a lot of qualifiers in my posts.

If you don't like the NRA, fine, that's your choice.  However, like it or not, the are "the voice" that Washington listens to and every other organization is viewed as "second tier" or as appealing to a small niche by policy makers and the media.  When the NRA speaks, people listen, and if it isn't speaking the message we want, then we need to get involved and force it to change (as was recently the case where they came out publicly against the legislation that had been introduced).

What has the NRA done for California,New York, Chicago, Colorado etc?

Don't be blindfolded.  Look through it into the big picture.  The NRA is in bed with every corrupt politician in DC.  It's all about money for them, they don't give a s*** about us peasants and our rights.  
When the NRA backed the National Firearms Act back in the thirties they knew it would not affect them because they were so rich they could all easily afford those $200 tax stamps. That's why they started the whole NFA in the first place is so that rich people could have power over us peasants, while s***ting on our founding fathers.
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So...taking this to an absurdity to illustrate the fallacy of your argument...you do realize that no one who was involved with the NRA in an administrative/leadership role in 1934 is alive today?  And those who were involved in similar roles in 1968 are also not involved?  Are you so absolutist when it comes to foreign companies and the products they offer?  HK (born from the ashes of **** Germany by displaced engineers), Steyr, VW, Mitsubishi, and the list goes on and on, yet we routinely deal with them today.

Times change, people change, and I believe the NRA has changed for the better.  Would you rather they continued their previous position or that they changed?  They changed because the membership told them what they did was not acceptable.

The NRA does a lot of good at the local level.  Just because legislation we don't like is passed in some places doesn't mean that the NRA wasn't there trying to fight it.  You seem to want perfection and absolute success, that just isn't possible in some of those places due to the demographics no matter how much money you're throwing at a problem...people tend to vote with their emotions, not logic, and gun control is a very emotional issue that *should* be approached logically...but isn't.
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