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rockwind1
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« on: September 26, 2017, 10:56:56 PM »

is there any real advantage to the 18" barrel?    anyone tried both.   what specific application is the 18" used for? 
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2017, 11:35:52 PM »

In regards to ballistics, I am an avid handloader, and I mildy obsess with the concept.
2'' of barrel from 16-18'' is not going to really extend your effective range more than maybe 5-10 yards with ball or expanding ammo.  You are talking about a 50ish fps difference depending on powder and weather.  That kind of FPS difference can be generated by shooting in 40 degree weather or 100 degree weather.. So really I do not believe you are gaining much for the Tavor system.  For an AR15 it's nice to run an 18'' because you can run rifle length gas system ( my favorite setup 18RL ).

Now for configuration, with the 18'' you can rock a thin butt pad on your X95 without it becoming an SBR (sigh), where as with the 16'' you can't rock the thin butt pad unless you pin weld a flash hider.

Basically, you just gain the ability to rock a thin butt pad, and maybe a Bayonet with the 18'' barrel, just don't expect that 2'' to make your gun more accurate or more lethal.


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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2017, 07:38:23 AM »

Not to seem detail oriented, but arent the battle lengths 16.5 & 18?

Would leave me to think a 18 x95 with a thin buttpad would be about .75 longer than a stock 16.5 model Tavor. Now that I think about that, I kinda like the idea
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 09:24:49 AM »

yes, i agree,  i just rounded down
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2017, 12:03:40 PM »

I recently saw some stuff that stated the 18" barrel was actually 18.5"

Confusing stuff
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2017, 12:46:15 PM »

From an over looks standpoint I think the 18 inch looks goofy . If you could get a longer handguard maybe then. I love the Thin Buttpad on my 16 x-95. Before welding it I tried several muzzle devices. I always have people want to check out the Tavors at the range. Even had a few officers shoot it. Nobody even noticed it wasn't exactly legal. It's welded now though. Better safe then sorry .
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2017, 02:28:55 PM »

What muzzle device did you settle on?
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2017, 03:02:40 PM »

The 18" barrel is the original TAR 21 barrel length. It also has a bayonet lug.

The 16" barrel is basically the CTAR variant, however the Israeli CTAR barrel length is 15". Obviously they added one inch to meet the 16" limit for the US market.
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2017, 03:16:47 PM »

The Tavor has a 16.5 barrel, not 16. Their 18in is 18 inches not 18.5.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2017, 03:34:04 PM »

The Tavor has a 16.5 barrel, not 16. There 18in is 18 inches not 18.5.

Thank you for the confirmation.

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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2017, 04:42:41 PM »

Get the 16". The shorter, the better. It was meant for CQB anyway. However, being so short, it seems like a "why not" when it comes to a longer barrel. I use the Manticore XTL Arclight on my 16" and the muzzle device barely clears the forend. You'll barely squeeze any more velocity that honestly isn't worth it.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2017, 06:56:41 PM »

Get the 16". The shorter, the better. It was meant for CQB anyway. However, being so short, it seems like a "why not" when it comes to a longer barrel. I use the Manticore XTL Arclight on my 16" and the muzzle device barely clears the forend. You'll barely squeeze any more velocity that honestly isn't worth it.


I agree... I initially bought the 18in version but ended up buying a 16.5 barrel kit. The rifle just feels right with the 16.5. There was no difference in accuracy.
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2017, 07:23:20 PM »

New to the platform fellas........still learning Nd reading a TON.

I had bought a SAR, picking up a x95 later this week.

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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2017, 07:53:55 PM »

New to the platform fellas........still learning Nd reading a TON.

I had bought a SAR, picking up a x95 later this week.

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Nice, congrats!  They are very reliable rugged machines.  Off topic, but you should buy some lancer mags too  Grin
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2017, 06:53:41 AM »

I do have a few....have ran them in my PWS for a while now

Great mags
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2017, 01:43:09 AM »

I'm a fan of heavy bullets and long barrels when it comes to 5.56mm.  My Tavor came with the 16.5" barrel and I swapped it out for the 18".  Contrary to another poster, I think the Tavor looks far better with the 18" barrel.  Just personal preference, my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's.  I set my Tavor up like an Israeli DMR, with 18" bbl, ACOG, and Harris Bipod.  It is exceptionally accurate for a gun that comes in at pretty much exactly 30" OAL (Surefire muzzle brake).  I also like the added realism...the military issue Tavor never came with a 16.5" barrel, they come longer and shorter.  That barrel was made specifically for the US market (even Canadian Tavors are 18").

My Tavor:



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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2017, 03:10:01 AM »

Gun and camo match the terrain pretty well there.^^

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I wonder if the gas port sizes are much different on the barrels.  
I have no doubt iwi timed the 16.5 correctly though.  From my extensive testing handloading with my Tavor, I can't find a load or ammo type that will not function 100% in the gun... And I've rolled some strange reloads...  Both on the hot side, and on the extremely soft side with slow and fast powders..  even shot a bit of loads with the ammos headspace(brass shoulder) a tad bit too short with no issue....  Everything from 5.56 ammo to tula functions 100% in hot and colt weather ~ 100+ F and ~10F...

 aside from minor catering on my firing pin, I honestly think that happened from shooting federal independence ammo, that stuff was ridiculously hot, and some people say not to shoot it because it is so hot from the factory (3300+ fps which I think is way way too hot)  But I guess it could have been one of my handloads too, idk.  That isn't a big deal though, that will happen with any gun with loads that are too hot.

My Tavor is as reliable as any of my AKs.
 
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2017, 03:48:59 AM »

I do have a few....have ran 5hem in my PWS for a while now

Great mags

Always wanted to buy a pws, I like their design.
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2017, 07:08:56 AM »

I do have a few....have ran 5hem in my PWS for a while now

Great mags

Always wanted to buy a pws, I like their design.

The new Mod 2 platform is phenomenal. One of the best piston guns Ive ever ran.

Ive never cared for the AK. A bit to rude, crude and Communist for my liking.
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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2017, 06:34:34 AM »

Well, back to the topic at hand.

Ive ordered an 18 barrel/bolt kit for my x95.
Great feedback form evryone, pros and cons and well as essential esthetics.
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