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« on: September 11, 2017, 01:26:47 PM »

Very interesting news from IWI. A total 180 from when the X95 was launched. They are looking towards the Tavor7 for their future platform it seems.

http://lauraburgess.com/iwi-us-phase-original-tavor-sar/
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 01:41:29 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 01:55:04 PM »

Interesting they should chose the number 7 for the future Tavor : Yeah I get why : It's just a Prophetic number
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2017, 01:58:11 PM »

Interesting they should chose the number 7 for the future Tavor : Yeah I get why : It's just a Prophetic number

The Tavor 7 sticks with the nomenclature form the X95. The "X" means exchange or something and the "9" is 9mm with the "5" being 5.56. The Tavor & is 7.62 so....

But I hate to see the SAR go away. I still like it better than the X95.
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2017, 02:38:29 PM »

Inevitable due to lagging sales and a redundant, legacy platform.
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2017, 04:31:34 PM »

Yup, was just a matter of time. I still prefer shooting it over the X95 also.
Looking forward to the 7. Been waiting a long time for the 7.62 version.
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2017, 07:15:49 PM »

Still love my SAR, but understandable and even predictable.  I'm thinking that the Tavor 7 with a 5.56 conversion will be the next evolution that I'd probably be interested in.
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2017, 07:25:12 PM »

So much for a 300 blk out conversion Angry
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2017, 07:32:05 PM »

If Israel isn't issuing their troops Tavor 7's then I am not interested.

I like the Tavor Sar and X95 because they were designed for war, and are issued to active military units.  Tavor 7 seems like a gun they are just designing for civilians.  If it is just being designed for the civilian market, then I highly doubt it will have to go through the same kind of testing and hold the same standards as their military issue weapons.  Also a 556 conversion for the Tavor 7 seems dumb because it has a 308 magwell.  The only advantage the Tavor 7 has over the X95 is the adjustable gas block.  If IWI threw in adjustable gas blocks for the X95 chambered in 5.56 they would have a real winner.  I think the 308 bullpup crowd is overblown, and 308 Tavors probably wouldn't sell anymore than the Tavor Sar in regards to numbers.  Seems like an overall waste of money for IWI.

Just my opinions.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2017, 07:34:05 PM »

Maybe IWI thinks their money invested in SAR's would be better invested into designing the 308 bullpup. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2017, 09:27:58 PM »

IWI USA does not actually build the Tavor they assemble it here. Their decision is more based on that IWI in Israel is discontinuing the production of the Tavor for either their military or export and instead focusing on production of the X95 for both the aforementioned. Sales in the US market are not enough to warrant the cost to keep a production line open. It's smart business and politics.   

The Tavor 7 is IWI reading the writing on the wall for the 5.56 rounds future as there are a fair number of smaller military & secret squirrel forces around the world looking at the short comings of the 5.56 over the last decade + in active combat. These same folks are looking to re visit the 308 for it's proven performance, but want it in a smaller, lighter, modern package and are finding the choices limited to maybe two or three rifles.

Like others I am sad to see it's production ending, but on the bright side this should keep the used prices on the higher side and keep it unique among the other rifles at the range. Knowing this I will now not be selling mine.
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2017, 09:52:12 PM »

I will be very surprised if the IDF does not see the Tavor 7. They expressed an interest in a 7.62 rifle years ago & I doubt that the need has disappeared. Except for the Desert Eagle I can't think of a weapon that they have made hat the IDF, Boarder Guards, or LE in Israel hasn't been issued. I am also hard pressed that this system is just being designed for the US market. That is not in the style of IWI, we just don't matter that much to them. This rifle will also be a military export system for them I would assume.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2017, 10:22:06 PM »

I remember hearing somwhere that the military aid money that was given to israel had to be spent on US items. Could making this rifle solely in the US be a clever way to make their own guns for free?
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2017, 12:36:16 AM »

This doesn't surprise me. The X95 has many improvements not the least of which was the trigger. It's just good manufacturing to discontinue an item that isn't selling.
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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2017, 02:09:46 AM »

I remember hearing somwhere that the military aid money that was given to israel had to be spent on US items. Could making this rifle solely in the US be a clever way to make their own guns for free?

Could be

"The Defense Ministry is mulling manufacturing the planned new IDF armored personnel carrier - the Eitan - in the US and purchasing it with US military aid."

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-new-israeli-apc-may-be-produced-in-us-1001164794
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2017, 04:57:32 AM »

I remember hearing somwhere that the military aid money that was given to israel had to be spent on US items. Could making this rifle solely in the US be a clever way to make their own guns for free?

In the past nearly 75% of all the military aid had to be spent in America, making it essentially a huge tax-payer subsidy of American military industries. That's changed since 2016 but apparently most of the money will still end up being spent in America, especially since Israel has gotten around that limitation, of spending the money in America, by buying American companies and moving their companies to the US.

"Some of Israel's bigger contractors own smaller American companies, which would allow Israel to spend the money in the United States, as agreed upon in the deal, while still counting on the expertise and experience of Israeli firms. The country's defense giant, Elbit Systems, for example, has a wholly owned subsidiary based in Fort Worth, Texas.

Other Israeli defense companies may soon look to buy smaller American defense contractors as well. "The big contractors in Israel will follow Elbit's methods and establish U.S. subsidiaries to work through," https://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/15/big-us-military-aid-package-to-israel-has-strings-attached.html
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2017, 03:32:26 PM »

I prefer the original SAR myself, sad they wont produce it even if in limited numbers.
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2017, 04:13:45 PM »

Wow, learned some pretty interesting things in this thread.  Thanks for sharing guys.
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2017, 05:34:32 PM »

A Tavor in 7.62 x 39 would be pretty sweet in my book and better ballistics to the 556
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2017, 08:03:37 PM »

I've never been known to be on tHe cutting edge of anything but after installing a delrin tav-d trigger pack I may have to buy a third Tavor just so I have enough!
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