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« on: July 11, 2017, 07:47:32 PM »

https://youtu.be/_HYk4HdWnPs
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2017, 08:26:19 PM »

Nice! Looks like suppressed X95s...
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2017, 12:47:09 AM »

Not digging the muzzle sweeps by the guy with the GoPro though.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2017, 06:52:11 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2017, 11:10:10 AM »

Not digging the muzzle sweeps by the guy with the GoPro though.

That happens in battle, it's not a range.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2017, 11:18:14 AM »

That happens in battle, it's not a range.

Hold mah beer, I can show those guys the RIGHT way to oper8 m8  Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2017, 04:32:34 PM »

Not digging the muzzle sweeps by the guy with the GoPro though.

That happens in battle, it's not a range.

I'm not a snake-eater, but that doesn't mean I can't learn from them.  The four rules are universally applicable, and aren't limited to the range.  That's why Jeff Cooper wrote them the way he did.  Bad things happen when you start accepting caveats and exceptions to gun handling rules.

Here's an clip of SEAL's doing a room clearing exercise with live ammo and unsuppressed M4's (about the same length as suppressed X95's):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8zwsE_Tib8
Notice the muzzle discipline.  It doesn't slow down their engagement, but does avoid sweeping their teammates with their muzzles.  There was another clip I remember (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e3CWHF9GxQ) from one of the geek channels with a SEAL team doing a similar exercise with MP5's in an outdoor shoothouse, and the instructor specifically chastising one of them afterwards, "You swept his head real bad on that one".  Of course that was just a training range, and things are different in battle, right?

Not trying to make myself sound like a badass, but I'd rather point out lessons learned from others' mistakes than try to make (and survive) all possible mistakes myself.   Every shooter is also a safety officer, and needs to speak up when they see something wrong, without consulting some skill pecking order first.  In the words of Rex O'Herlahan; "When I see something that's obviously wrong, I usually speak up."

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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2017, 05:12:12 PM »

I'm sure with a culture of handling firearms the US Navy SEALs are better about muzzle discipline than Israelis. Still when bullets are flying in actually combat, a lot of training and discipline goes out of the mind of most soldiers, especially regular grunts.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2017, 05:46:31 PM »

I'm sure with a culture of handling firearms the US Navy SEALs are better about muzzle discipline than Israelis. Still when bullets are flying in actually combat, a lot of training and discipline goes out of the mind of most soldiers, especially regular grunts.

I agree with your point, but here are my two pennies...

1.  I believe the video was a training exercise.  One time I did something ''unsafe'' during a training exercise, so the instructor made myself and all my peers to do about 50 pushups in full gear.  I learned my lesson.  ( I racked out a dummy round and caught it on the firing line, didn't even flag anyone, the instructor completely embarrassed me, made sure I felt like a dumb ass, and humbled me to the bone ).

2. Sool carry position.  I think that is how you spell it.. At least from my government funded training, we were taught not to flag people  Grin.

But ya, I agree, nothing is perfect when the rubber meets the road, and that is why trigger discipline is so important.  I have watched South american police training events, and surprisingly they use most of the same techniques we do.  Most tacticool stuff is actually very universal.


I'm not trying to argue one way or another, I'm just sharing my perspective.

Edit to add... I don't think I'm a tier 1 operator or anything  Cheesy  Just sharing my thoughts.

Basically flagging happens, although ideally it shouldn't.
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2017, 05:50:23 PM »

That happens in battle, it's not a range.

Hold mah beer, I can show those guys the RIGHT way to oper8 m8  Tongue

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2017, 04:54:25 PM »

Still when bullets are flying in actually combat, a lot of training and discipline goes out of the mind of most soldiers, especially regular grunts.
And that's why we train a lot so it doesn't go out of mind when the rubber meets the road. It should be automatic.
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 04:30:25 PM »

Post active links people, come on.

https://youtu.be/_HYk4HdWnPs
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