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« on: July 02, 2016, 02:44:09 PM »

The website is up and in full swing for this 4th of July weekend for Pre orders of the long anticipated 308 bullpup.  All the information is listed on the web site.  Unlike other companies I have waited until production was in full swing before starting to take a small deposit to hold your place in line.  Get in while you can before the wait becomes to long.  And who knows you may get a sub 100 serial number.

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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2016, 12:11:07 AM »

Hey Ken!

I have 2 of your 5.56 rifles now and I can attest to the quality.  You've done a fantastic job on them.  I wanted to reply to thank you for keeping things grounded in reality and promoting your product when you actually have a product to sell.  We all have enough drama in our lives as it is. :-)

Thanks again!
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2016, 12:41:15 AM »

Thanks.  It takes a lot of money to get things rolling and I want to produce a quality product and not rush to production.  That is why it has taken longer than expected.  I also wanted to get suppliers on line and rolling before opening the pre order flood gate.   Thanks for the kind words.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2016, 07:29:45 AM »

TUnlike other companies I have waited until production was in full swing before starting to take a small deposit to hold your place in line.

Ken,
As a man who has put down deposits on other other guns only to be told over and over again that the release date has been pushed back until the "next quarter", your business model is quite refreshing.  Best of luck with this and all of your future projects!
-Dean
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2017, 12:14:20 PM »

Ken,   Are you still running 18-20 weeks for orders to be fillled regarding the 308s?    I ask since I ordered one on January 2nd and only received a receipt for the $100 charge.    Just wanted to get an update 😬
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2017, 01:02:36 PM »

Ken,   Are you still running 18-20 weeks for orders to be fillled regarding the 308s?    I ask since I ordered one on January 2nd and only received a receipt for the $100 charge.    Just wanted to get an update 😬

I believe that I just responded to you via email if not shoot me a email so I know exactly who you are.  But if you are who I think you are yours is on the bench and should be ready next week.
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2017, 02:13:52 PM »

Got your emails Ken.    Greatly appreciated and we are both up to date.      I look forward to getting your amazing firearm!!   
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2017, 02:18:29 PM »

Ken.    Got the M17S308 rifle and set it up with a YHM flash suppressor and a DI Optical FC-1.     Ran 420 rounds of GGG 147gr ball through it yesterday.    Performance was great with 1.5 -2.0 inch groups at 100yrds (I'm sure I can get better with practice).     Again thank you for a great firearm.


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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2017, 03:19:04 PM »

How much are these? Where can you get them ( gunbroker)? The bolt is 180 bolt? Will all ar 10 dpms barrels work or is it limited to 180 bolt pattern?  Basically are 5 r barrels available ...thanks from the other side. Also rfb owner love it but its less than 100% sometimes.
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2017, 04:12:25 PM »

How much are these? Where can you get them ( gunbroker)? The bolt is 180 bolt? Will all ar 10 dpms barrels work or is it limited to 180 bolt pattern?  Basically are 5 r barrels available ...thanks from the other side. Also rfb owner love it but its less than 100% sometimes.
Price may change so you can find all the details at www.kmarms.com  Currently you get them direct off the website.  The BCG is based off a AR180 style but in our own design.  Barrel is proprietary just like all other bullpups.  It will not interchange with any other barrel.  No the 5R barrels are currently not being offered.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2017, 06:25:22 PM »

Wow that was a quick reply. Thank you!
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2017, 06:40:47 PM »

I suppose you are the man to ask a question like this. I am not concerned with the difference in length but if there is no advantage in the extra 4" in the 20" vs.16 ". So is range or accuracy or energy going to be greatly increased or just a bump? Also the video I saw of your gun. It looks beautiful.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2017, 07:40:45 PM »

You loose 100fps in velocity from the 20" to 16" barrel.  Not a whole lot of difference.   I have been suprise that I am almost 50/50 in sales from the 16" and 20" barrels.  I thought that the whole point of a bullpup was to have the shortest package possible, and was surprised that the 20" is selling as well.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2017, 08:14:05 PM »

TBH, a 30" .308 battle rifle is still an incredibly compact package, and if I can get it with a 20" barrel so much the better.
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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2017, 06:21:01 PM »

This gun peaked my interest, but before this I was so sure my latest have to have find was the m&p ar10. Reading stories of just pop an optic on it and it will stretch out accurately to a 1000 yards. Has anyone tried that with this? Or what is it capable of?
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« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2017, 10:17:08 PM »

The M&P 10, like literally any other AR10 or AR15, is capable of hitting large targets semi-consistently at 1000y provided shooter skill.  Accurate at 1000y though (or just in general)?  No.  Furthermore it will be much longer and more front heavy than the M17s.

If you want <1moa precision at 1000y, you need to buy a quality bolt gun (like a Tikka T3x CTR), build or have built for you a quality AR10 style rifle, or buy a very expensive AR10 style rifle, in order from cheapest to most expensive.

I'd love to say that the M17s would achieve this level of accuracy, but I haven't seen any 5x5 or 3x10 tests of one yet (hint hint).
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2017, 10:14:32 AM »

I don't mean to take up space or time on this pre order thread, but I'm just curios on how well this beautiful $2000 gun will reach out?  MT tavor is great my go to but my rock river eo2 will easily out shoot it.toss in some good ammo they both shoot better but r.r. still wins My tavor will shoot better off hand. Anyways guns America did a story on the m&p ar10 and they were repeating 1000 yard shots on 15"x15" steel stock except for magpupl Presicion and optic basically. Shot with pro skill set up and lots of experience but in the end the gun is the bottom line. If the m17 cannot do this its still on my WISHLIST dressed up with a trijicon rs27 1x8. Thanks
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2017, 02:51:38 PM »

1.) Never trust gun reviews, especially from Guns America.

2.) 15x15 at 1000y isn't moa.

3.) the M&P10 is a 2moa gun, if that is acceptable to you, then go for it.  If not the options I just mentioned are where to go.

4.) As I said no one has posted representative accuracy tests with the K&M M17s308.  It would be great if someone took the time to work up a load and/or test match ammo and present the optimal 5x5 or 3x10 targets.  Until someone does (again hint hint users/K&M) we just don't know if the M17s would perform better than the M&P10.
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2017, 09:03:24 PM »

Well your probably right about reviews but there were so many. Like all the sources on the ruger American rifles using the 5 r barrel. Getting sub moa.that's why I also asked if the m17 s had a 5 r. Maybe they really don't work any better.
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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2017, 09:12:58 PM »

Just curious I'm not a long range gamer but isn't 1 moa at 1000 any point 10" from point of aim, so a 20" circle if you aimed at center all edges would be 10" away.a 10x10 square would roughly have 5" to edge from center equal 1/2 moa?
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