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Title: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on June 01, 2013, 05:22:33 AM
I've been working on an idea for a .22lr bullpup carbine for the last two years with a view to producing it commercially. It is called the Artemis 'Sawfly', the Artemis bit is the name of my company. We are a specialist R&D firm primarily working on Bullpup rifle concepts.
The whole thing encompasses elements of various military rifles and passes more than a striking resemblance to the AUG, however this rifle is designed to appeal to  the gallery range market as well as for hunting small game. It is suited to be used easily from within the confines of a vehicle or within buildings (I have used this rifle for clearing rats from the barn).
Hope the pics upload ok, it's my first time on the forum - so I'm still learning. Will post more stuff a bit later.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: wfcwfc on June 01, 2013, 08:42:28 AM
Interesting
So the scope mount doubles as the rear sight.
Is the front sight removable?
If you are looking for feedback
I'd like to see a larger more pronounced thumb hole
What type of magazine are you using?


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on June 01, 2013, 09:27:45 AM
Thanks 'wfcwfc'. You are correct that the rear scope mount doubles as the rear iron sight, and yes the front sight is demountable - it sits on a small dovetail and clamped by an M5 machine screw.
I agree with your comment re: thumb hole size, but I would say that it shouldn't need to be much larger.
The photos are of the prototype which uses an Anschutz model 520 as the donor gun - heavily modified (which probably means this thread has been posted in the wrong section) Thus the magazine is a standard 10 shot clip type.
The rifle was originally designed to take a 22 round GSG mag but as we envisage this being an imported rifle we felt it prudent to offer it in 10 shot to start with then introduce a 20 shot straight magazine and then release the GSG magazine version at a later date.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on June 01, 2013, 11:22:44 AM
Mods - if this thread is in the wrong location, feel free to move it or delete it.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: Sgt_P on June 02, 2013, 01:34:36 PM
Moved it here (out of the 1022 section.)

I love the stock! 

Is the forward handle a little close?  Of does it feel comfortable? 


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on June 02, 2013, 01:47:39 PM
Moved it here (out of the 1022 section.)

I love the stock! 

Is the forward handle a little close?  Of does it feel comfortable? 
Er..yes,  :-[ that forward handle needs moving about 1" forward (this has been done on the CAD models already) that said, it is actually quite comfy to use but there will always be someone who has bigger hands than me.
The barrel on this pup is only 12" long so I needed to install the muzzle guard to prevent me losing my fingers when using it with the grip folded up.
Incidentally, what are the US regulations regarding the use of flash hiders/muzzle guards?


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on June 02, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
More pics -


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: wbassett on June 03, 2013, 07:04:12 PM
VERY NICE!


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: Sgt_P on June 03, 2013, 08:10:28 PM
Incidentally, what are the US regulations regarding the use of flash hiders/muzzle guards?

Depends on the state.  Some don't allow "flash hiders".


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on June 04, 2013, 06:11:43 PM
Incidentally, what are the US regulations regarding the use of flash hiders/muzzle guards?

Depends on the state.  Some don't allow "flash hiders".
I'm presuming the same goes for sound moderators... better provide them as optional and just supply screw cut barrels and let the end user choose ;)


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: Gear Head on June 10, 2013, 10:20:20 AM
Remember the barrel (or barrel + permanently attached muzzle device) must be at least 16" with an overall length of 26" without any removable muzzle device installed. I would prefer to just have 1/2-28 threads to run a silencer on but if this is an import I doubt that would be possible. Maybe just have the muzzle thick enough so that it could be threaded afterwards. Well, then you run into 922 issues and crap....  :|>


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on July 07, 2013, 10:40:45 AM
From what I can ascertain from the myriad of country and State specific regulations governing minimum lengths, I am going to require two separate barrel formats.
The two I have decided would be most suitable are: a 16" with a parallel profile with no muzzle fitments ( but space to accept threading ) and a 12" profile with a fixed muzzle attachment ( Moderator or Flash Hider ) which brings it up to 16".
The other issue with this format is that the barrel frame will need to be slightly different as the fixed nature of the muzzle attachment on the 12" barrel means that the disassembly process is also changed, and requires a further operation to remove the barrel (as it is removed along with the frame itself).
 


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: hobster on August 21, 2013, 05:39:25 AM
Hi there,
           Love the way this project is going. Do you have an idea of how much these would likely to cost as I would definatley be interested in one :-) . Just wondered would there be any possibility of coming up with a way to fit a bipod? . Perhaps place a picatinny rail where the forward grip is and make the grip separately so the customer could choose to fit a grip or a bipod. Good luck with it and please let me know any more information that you can regarding this great little rifle.

Steve


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on August 21, 2013, 01:06:46 PM
Hi there,
           Love the way this project is going. Do you have an idea of how much these would likely to cost as I would definatley be interested in one :-) . Just wondered would there be any possibility of coming up with a way to fit a bipod? . Perhaps place a picatinny rail where the forward grip is and make the grip separately so the customer could choose to fit a grip or a bipod. Good luck with it and please let me know any more information that you can regarding this great little rifle.

Steve
Hi Steve

We've designed and made an adapter specifically to accept the Harris range of bipods. I'll find some pics and post them up for you. A separate adapter is currently underway that looks similar to the bipod mount, but has the picatinny rail on the underside.
Price wise; we are looking at anywhere between $350 - $500 depending on actual manufacturing costs at the time or whichever manufacturer takes on the actual production phase. Left handed models will be the same price and for the price we expect to provide a scope mount and two magazines. simply because no other manufacturer does this and we wish to garner firm customer loyalty.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: hobster on August 21, 2013, 06:44:09 PM
hi,
  thanks for prompt reply, I live in the uk and I believe this is where you are based (please correct me if I am wrong) so how much do you think it would cost over here? and how long do you think it would be before you find a manufacturer as I think this rifle would be a great seller.

Steve


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on August 21, 2013, 06:54:32 PM
Steve.

Bipod bracket pics as promised.

(having laptop trouble so I hope they upload ok)

I am UK based as you surmised:)
Prices shouldn't be too different given the exchange rate, certainly under 500. We are currently in discussions with two major European manufacturers who are very interested. Timespan to production and general release I am hoping this side of Christmas (tooling up typically takes 3 months but I am working hard to reduce this by completing all the finer details of the solid modelling and eradicating all the usual stumbling blocks).
I will also try to upload a copy of the editorial that appeared in the September issue of 'shooting sports' magazine.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: hobster on August 22, 2013, 06:24:51 AM
Hi,
   Thanks for the pics, hope to see one in the shops soon :-)

Steve


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: hobster on September 09, 2013, 05:22:34 PM
Hi there,
        Just a quick question, you state that you will be shipping the gun with two magazines would there be anyway of being able to store the second magazine in/on the stock as per the walther g22?.

Regards

Steve


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: Snapperhead363 on September 09, 2013, 05:50:37 PM
I don't know how I missed this thread! That thing is sweet! Nice work!


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on September 13, 2013, 05:23:15 PM
Hi there,
        Just a quick question, you state that you will be shipping the gun with two magazines would there be anyway of being able to store the second magazine in/on the stock as per the walther g22?.

Regards

Steve
We have looked into this and come up with a solution to store the second (10 shot) magazine in a slot on the underside of the pistol grip. Initially we would only market the basic stock version and then introduce the upgrade stock at a later date (when we can generate the extra 20,000 needed to produce the tooling).
Since the photos were taken I have fitted the rifle with a 16" barrel and had it reproofed. At the moment the solid modelling of all the updates is being carried out, assigning part numbers etc.
Having discussed various options with my staff team we have opted to launch with a 22 shot GSG style magazine and a separate 10 shot variant; just to keep things sensible. 


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on September 13, 2013, 05:31:03 PM
I don't know how I missed this thread! That thing is sweet! Nice work!
Thank you. I am chomping at the bit to get this produced in the coming months, it's a hard slog and not without its stumbling blocks but your support is greatly appreciated.
I even had a chap phone me from the other side of the UK just to say "well done" on the project so far, which made my day.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on September 21, 2013, 01:54:13 PM
Things have moved on considerably. Manufacturer and distributor now selected and final country specific design features being ratified, so it shouldn't be long before we move into the tooling up stage. :)
Can't go into much detail as we are now bound by a confidentiality agreement.
Apologies for not posting any more pictures or details until further notice.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: jpeppine on October 05, 2013, 09:59:05 PM
Would look great next to my left-handed AUG - I like the idea of the Harris bipod adapter - never use the front AUG handle.  Any storage in the butt stock?   On-board storage for a second clip is a good idea.   


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on October 06, 2013, 04:12:05 AM
We are looking into butt storage facility for a cleaning kit; and the extra magazine stowage in the pistol grip.  Only issue with that is that is the fact that we intend to use a 22 round magazine, which limits the places it can be stored.
I appreciate your point on the front, folding pistol grip, again we've designed a stub fore end to replace that.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: hobster on October 13, 2013, 09:14:11 AM
Hi there,
      Just like to say please don't alter the final design too much from your prototype as this is what drew peoples favorably comments in the first place. As I personally would be using one for vermin shooting which would sometimes involve shooting from the prone position I would be happier to see a 10 shot magazine as in your prototype as I believe a 22 shot magazine may get in the way and also I think that it would also spoil the way the rifle looks. Good luck with the project and I look forward to seeing the final design when you are allowed to post images.

Regards

Steve


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on October 13, 2013, 02:58:56 PM
Hi there,
      Just like to say please don't alter the final design too much from your prototype as this is what drew peoples favorably comments in the first place. As I personally would be using one for vermin shooting which would sometimes involve shooting from the prone position I would be happier to see a 10 shot magazine as in your prototype as I believe a 22 shot magazine may get in the way and also I think that it would also spoil the way the rifle looks. Good luck with the project and I look forward to seeing the final design when you are allowed to post images.

Regards

Steve
Acknowledged ;)
To allay any concerns people may have, the style of magazine we plan on using is also available in 10 shot too.
The folding grip will remain an option as the design is such that the user can interchange the components (this is why it's taken over two years to get this far, simply due to building in the flexibility of the design).
 :)


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: JCT5 on November 08, 2013, 11:18:13 AM
I've loved your Sawfly design in Shooting Sports magazine and need to know is there any chance of a Sawfly display at the British Shooting Show in Feb?


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on November 08, 2013, 06:30:50 PM
I've loved your Sawfly design in Shooting Sports magazine and need to know is there any chance of a Sawfly display at the British Shooting Show in Feb?

Sorry, no.
My company is structured for dealing with and for 'trade' clients only; this is due to our skill-set as R&D specialists. The Sawfly is our first product that is being marketed directly to the public as end user and even then we will be working through a manufacturer and a single distributor.
The number given in the magazine editorial was for feedback purposes, feel free to call if you have any queries regarding the Sawfly.
( Note - I pick up my calls in the evenings as that is when I'm in the office):)  


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on December 08, 2013, 05:42:06 PM
Things are slowly moving forward. We had our Importer/Distributor visit us from the states last Thursday, to update us on the import process for the US. We've also sorted out the funding for the tooling which will begin in the New Year (according to our schedule), can't say more than that!
So the ball is in our court now. We are flat out with formatting the 3D CAD models, adding in the tolerances and producing the workshop drawings for the manufacturer.
Now we are concentrating on the US market, closely followed by the UK and Europe, things just got a whole lot simpler. Our Importer/Distributor is handling all marketing so they will, to a degree, dictate what is manufactured first and what is included in the package - that's the compromise we had to make.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on January 21, 2014, 03:42:03 PM
Well Thank goodness Christmas is done and dusted.

We had a minor setback over the festive season, the IT gremlins were out and about! This resulted in the need to rapidly organise a replacement computer and install all new software - it also highlighted the importance on backing up all work regularly on a separate hard drive (luckily we did this so didn't lose any data) that said, I have got a few more grey hairs from such a near miss!!

At the same time as sorting out a new computer system we took the opportunity to upgrade to a newer version of Solidworks CAD package, so we're rolling again but still have three weeks worth of enforced down time to recover.

Currently we are about to commence final ratification of all tolerances and it looks as though we will be ready to tool up in early March just after the IWA show in Nuremburg. All things being favourable we should be getting our hands on the production version of the 'Sawfly' sometime in June-July of this year (And submit samples for ATF approval - which could take 3-9months).

The other bit of good news is that we have gained permission from J.G Anschutz to use their original design of trigger mechanism from the Model 520/525 .22lr semi auto. It has been slightly modified but essentially it is all the same internal mechanism. To be honest I wasn't sure my request would be taken seriously, but I am very privileged to get their blessing; it saves us so much work, time and grief in the long run. :)

Other news:- we're beginning to sketch out plans for the follow up project to the Sawfly. This will be a bullpup too, but at the other end of the spectrum...... namely a 10 shot .50cal long range target rifle! I got the opportunity to purchase a .50cal barrel just before Christmas, the cost of which was offset by the sale of my pump action Mossberg. My Design Manager just shook his head when I told him the plan ::)

Anyway, more later, I'll keep the updates coming.



Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: Gear Head on January 31, 2014, 03:23:28 AM
This is great news to see your progress. Can't wait to see the final product and what you have in mind for that 50 cal barrel!


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on February 26, 2014, 08:01:11 PM
This is great news to see your progress. Can't wait to see the final product and what you have in mind for that 50 cal barrel!
I'm looking forward to seeing it too, been a long time coming. When we've finally done we aim to use 3D printing technology to produce a production prototype to 'prove' the CAD models, so I shall post pics of that when it occurs.

.50cal, that will be  something along the lines of a Bullpup, 10 shot bolt action; I would prefer a self loader but the authorities over here would just make my life even more difficult than it is already, with all the red tape....  .50's have their own special category simply because of the muzzle energy.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on April 27, 2014, 04:41:41 AM
Well the CAD models are now finished, but, just when we thought things were nailed down our manufacturer is now requesting we input all tolerances and produce the workshop drawings ourselves; which is contrary to what was previously agreed albeit verbally. It seems our business alliance wasn't what we thought it was and they now only want to act as contractor for us - but hey ho!that's another lesson learned.

So we now have a lot more work to do which we weren't expecting and it also opens up the possibility of looking at wider options! like maybe choosing a new manufacturer who isn't going to keep changing tack all the time.

One question I'd like to ask (sorry if I asked this before) - I know any imported firearms need ATF approval but is the case the same if the firearms are manufactured within the states? and I'm referring to firearms that will not be exported and do conform to the sporting rifle legislation.

Cheers



Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: lawboy on April 29, 2014, 11:59:46 AM
Oh. My. God. Want! Please get this rifle completed and available stateside. I will buy it.
One bit of advice; when you put it on the U.S. market, make the magazines reasonable in price AND PRODUCE A LOT OF THEM. I don't know about Europeans, but Americans buy LOTS of magazines for their guns. 5-15 mags for a 22 like this will be a common purchase for many consumers here. People base gun purchasing decisions on price and availability of magazines on a regular basis.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: wulkure on May 07, 2014, 11:07:51 AM
I just joined this forum and came upon this thread. Excellent idea!!! I particularly like the idea of a 22+ round magazine. I assume it functions reliably.
Suggestions to OP Mr. Artemis, try to get more exposures in other sites such as rimfirecentral.com; ar15.com, armory--> bullpup subforum.  More shooters--> lower prices.
Keep us informed.
Cheerio


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: Mr.Meric on June 20, 2014, 10:51:55 AM
Very nice design!!  I would go out and buy a 15-22 just to put this kit on it!


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: Gear Head on June 22, 2014, 09:25:40 AM
Well the CAD models are now finished, but, just when we thought things were nailed down our manufacturer is now requesting we input all tolerances and produce the workshop drawings ourselves; which is contrary to what was previously agreed albeit verbally. It seems our business alliance wasn't what we thought it was and they now only want to act as contractor for us - but hey ho!that's another lesson learned.

So we now have a lot more work to do which we weren't expecting and it also opens up the possibility of looking at wider options! like maybe choosing a new manufacturer who isn't going to keep changing tack all the time.

One question I'd like to ask (sorry if I asked this before) - I know any imported firearms need ATF approval but is the case the same if the firearms are manufactured within the states? and I'm referring to firearms that will not be exported and do conform to the sporting rifle legislation.

Cheers



Laws are different for guns imported versus made here. At least they are for centerfire rifles. Not sure if that applies to rim fire as well. The ATF I'm sure will still need to approve the deisn to make sure it cannot be converted to a machine gun and what not too easily.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on June 27, 2014, 01:50:48 PM
Many thanks for your reply 'Gear Head'. I'm told the approval process can be anything up to 9 months long, I'm hoping that may be shortened for rifles made in the US; It's probably time to begin sounding out manufacturers within the States.

Update: We are at last putting the final modifications into place on the CAD models to ensure that all the ATF criteria are clearly complied with for 'sporting rifle classification' and then I have to come up with a further 20,000 in order to produce several more prototypes of the completed production version (3D printed & live firing versions) and then generate a full set of workshop schematics to BS 8888 standard; this work is being outsourced to save time. After this we begin tooling up with whichever manufacturer will best serve our interest.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: FS2000OD on June 27, 2014, 10:45:05 PM
Very interested to see the latest configuration of the gun.  I'm curious if you are planning to run a top rail (maybe from the cheek piece to the front of the stock?), or just the AUG A1 style mount, as well as if you are going to run a bottom rail, or just a sling swivel mount for bi-pods?  Also, are you still planning to have the rifle use the 22 round GSG-522 mags?  I'm hoping so, since these mags are pretty readily available here in the US, and are inexpensive.  So far this project is looking great.  I can't wait to hear that the gun is in production. ;D


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on June 28, 2014, 01:39:22 AM
Very interested to see the latest configuration of the gun. I'm curious if you are planning to run a top rail (maybe from the cheek piece to the front of the stock?), or just the AUG A1 style mount, as well as if you are going to run a bottom rail, or just a sling swivel mount for bi-pods?  Also, are you still planning to have the rifle use the 22 round GSG-522 mags?  I'm hoping so, since these mags are pretty readily available here in the US, and are inexpensive.  So far this project is looking great.  I can't wait to hear that the gun is in production. ;D
Yes, that was one of the modifications already in place. Though the bottom rail will be an option which will be introduced later, our primary aim is just to get the rifle to market in a single format and then use customer feedback to guide us to which features are required in the future.
Also, the Sawfly has been designed to specifically take the GSG522 magazines; so even if they end up not being the manufacturer we'll still use those magazines.. Besides, in case they get all legal on us we've now got our own variation which eliminates the shortcomings in their original design, dimension and geometry wise though, they are identical.
It's a long old road but we're getting there.
(Also if anyone can provide any info on a crowdfunding website called 'Indigogo' and whether they are any good to use as a platform for raising business capital, I'd be very grateful). Cheers.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: FS2000OD on June 28, 2014, 10:03:05 PM
Thanks for the quick feedback.  The top rail is definitely the most important to the initial release of the rifle, since so many people run optics these days, so you're covered there.  As for the bottom rail, do you anticipate that being an add-on that you can buy separately for the rifles later if you want to upgrade? 

I'm also very glad you are sticking with the GSG mag style.  I'm always a bit disappointed by semi-auto 22's that only offer a 10 round mag, since one of the benefits of the .22 LR is shooting a lot for cheap.  About the only alternative mag that would really make a lot of sense for the US market would be the Ruger 10/22 mags, since they are plentiful in sizes from 1-110 rounds.  One benefit of a rifle that has been popular for 50 years now. ;) 

Keep up the great work!

Eric


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on July 01, 2014, 03:40:33 PM
Thanks for the quick feedback.  The top rail is definitely the most important to the initial release of the rifle, since so many people run optics these days, so you're covered there.  As for the bottom rail, do you anticipate that being an add-on that you can buy separately for the rifles later if you want to upgrade? 

I'm also very glad you are sticking with the GSG mag style.  I'm always a bit disappointed by semi-auto 22's that only offer a 10 round mag, since one of the benefits of the .22 LR is shooting a lot for cheap.  About the only alternative mag that would really make a lot of sense for the US market would be the Ruger 10/22 mags, since they are plentiful in sizes from 1-110 rounds.  One benefit of a rifle that has been popular for 50 years now. ;) 

Keep up the great work!

Eric
Thank you. Yes, the bottom rail is planned to be a separate purchase for later upgrades.
I have my head full of stuff I need to remember at the moment so forgive me if I seem a bit vague.

Art.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on October 26, 2014, 02:15:54 PM
Well it's been about three months since my last post here and am pleased to say that things have moved on somewhat. We now have a completed final design! I have a chap going over the entire CAD model to ensure it is conflict free and all tolerances are accounted for.

While the above has been going on I have amused myself by creating a blog which gives chapter and verse on the entire project. As with blogs in general it is a live document and will be updated and added to on a regular basis, I will also be adding more photos and when I work out how to do it, shall be uploading CAD images too (this will provide a very accurate picture of what the production rifle will look like).

Address to blog is thus:  artemissawfly.wordpress.com

This project has taken a lot out of me and I intend to bring it to market as soon as practically possible come what may. Also, feel free to leave comments and share, feedback is important to me.

Cheers.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on December 07, 2014, 07:21:15 PM
Here's a couple of CAD images to let you see how things have progressed.
Top image is of the Right Hand stock panel and the lower one is of the newly styled receiver.



Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on December 09, 2014, 07:02:08 PM
And here's several more CAD images I uploaded today.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on December 09, 2014, 08:00:10 PM
Righto, before I sign off for the night (here in the UK) I thought I'd post the following two images that I have just been mailed by my CAD/Graphics guy down in London.

These represent what we intend to manufacture, but as they stand they are not yet finished as we still have parts to add. Hope you like them.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: wulkure on December 09, 2014, 09:14:28 PM
Very handsome-looking rifle!
The chasis reminds me of the Accuracy International AICS with the magazine moved back rather than an AUG. Very very nice.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on December 10, 2014, 02:49:36 AM
Very handsome-looking rifle!
The chasis reminds me of the Accuracy International AICS with the magazine moved back rather than an AUG. Very very nice.
Thank you, I was hoping that the AI influence would show through more than the AUG. It really provides me with a tangible sense of achievement seeing the project take shape after so many years/months of hard graft.
Next step is to raise more capital through crowd funding to help cover the cost of producing the workshop drawings and begin tooling up.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: wulkure on December 10, 2014, 12:08:42 PM
Very handsome-looking rifle!
The chasis reminds me of the Accuracy International AICS with the magazine moved back rather than an AUG. Very very nice.
Thank you, I was hoping that the AI influence would show through more than the AUG. It really provides me with a tangible sense of achievement seeing the project take shape after so many years/months of hard graft.
Next step is to raise more capital through crowd funding to help cover the cost of producing the workshop drawings and begin tooling up.

I have an AICS with a Remington 700 (not the real deal unfortunately) that is amazing.
Not too many people in the US are familiar with the AI platform however, but the design will sell itself so I am not too concerned about it. Keep up the good work.
BTW the link to your blog does not work?


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on December 10, 2014, 12:21:30 PM
Very handsome-looking rifle!
The chasis reminds me of the Accuracy International AICS with the magazine moved back rather than an AUG. Very very nice.
Thank you, I was hoping that the AI influence would show through more than the AUG. It really provides me with a tangible sense of achievement seeing the project take shape after so many years/months of hard graft.
Next step is to raise more capital through crowd funding to help cover the cost of producing the workshop drawings and begin tooling up.

I have an AICS with a Remington 700 (not the real deal unfortunately) that is amazing.
Not too many people in the US are familiar with the AI platform however, but the design will sell itself so I am not too concerned about it. Keep up the good work.
BTW the link to your blog does not work?
Oops! sorry for any confusion, the blog address isn't actually a link; it needs to be manually typed or copied across to the search bar on your Google page and it should take you straight to it.
Let me know if you have any problems with it and I'll see what I can do. :)


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: wulkure on December 10, 2014, 07:31:08 PM
Very handsome-looking rifle!
The chasis reminds me of the Accuracy International AICS with the magazine moved back rather than an AUG. Very very nice.
Thank you, I was hoping that the AI influence would show through more than the AUG. It really provides me with a tangible sense of achievement seeing the project take shape after so many years/months of hard graft.
Next step is to raise more capital through crowd funding to help cover the cost of producing the workshop drawings and begin tooling up.

I have an AICS with a Remington 700 (not the real deal unfortunately) that is amazing.
Not too many people in the US are familiar with the AI platform however, but the design will sell itself so I am not too concerned about it. Keep up the good work.
BTW the link to your blog does not work?
Oops! sorry for any confusion, the blog address isn't actually a link; it needs to be manually typed or copied across to the search bar on your Google page and it should take you straight to it.
Let me know if you have any problems with it and I'll see what I can do. :)

That is what I tried but still does not work


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on December 10, 2014, 07:50:22 PM

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That is what I tried but still does not work
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Did you open a new tab first before pasting the address in? (not trying to offend, I'm genuinely puzzled). Beyond that I am not sure what to advise; I'm not sure how to set it up as a link on this forum either, so will need to be assisted by the mods.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: jay6669 on December 10, 2014, 07:58:09 PM
https://artemissawfly.wordpress.com/
copy paste that in to the adress bar. id link it but forum rules says not to.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on December 17, 2014, 07:36:23 PM
A couple more updated pics to show the magazine and forward folding grip in place.




Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: wulkure on December 19, 2014, 09:42:15 PM
very nice! Any news of the release date?
Does the magazine  paddle pivot forward with the thumb of the supporting hand to effect a release,, like an AK?


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on December 20, 2014, 04:06:25 AM
very nice! Any news of the release date?
Does the magazine  paddle pivot forward with the thumb of the supporting hand to effect a release,, like an AK?
Hi wulkure
Yes the magazine release 'paddle' does pivot forwards, exactly as you would for the AK's and MP5A3's

Release date for the US is totally dependant on how quickly the Justice Dept/BATFE approve the design for import. We are estimating that the first ones off the production lines will be around June/July 2015 and part of the first batch will be immediately submitted  for approval by the US authorities. As to how long that will take is anyone's guess but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes anywhere between 3-9mths.......However, if we are really lucky and can find a suitable US based manufacturer who can produce them within the US under licence, then it may speed things up a bit.

We'll keep you posted to developments.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: wulkure on December 20, 2014, 06:45:10 PM
very nice! Any news of the release date?
Does the magazine  paddle pivot forward with the thumb of the supporting hand to effect a release,, like an AK?
Hi wulkure
Yes the magazine release 'paddle' does pivot forwards, exactly as you would for the AK's and MP5A3's

Release date for the US is totally dependant on how quickly the Justice Dept/BATFE approve the design for import. We are estimating that the first ones off the production lines will be around June/July 2015 and part of the first batch will be immediately submitted  for approval by the US authorities. As to how long that will take is anyone's guess but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes anywhere between 3-9mths.......However, if we are really lucky and can find a suitable US based manufacturer who can produce them within the US under licence, then it may speed things up a bit.

We'll keep you posted to developments.

Do you have any video on the shooting of  the prototype? How about pic of group size? I am not familiar with the particular model of Anschutz on which you design is based, although I have an Anschutz 1813 supermatch, but that is a target rifle.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on December 20, 2014, 07:31:50 PM
very nice! Any news of the release date?
Does the magazine  paddle pivot forward with the thumb of the supporting hand to effect a release,, like an AK?
Hi wulkure
Yes the magazine release 'paddle' does pivot forwards, exactly as you would for the AK's and MP5A3's

Release date for the US is totally dependant on how quickly the Justice Dept/BATFE approve the design for import. We are estimating that the first ones off the production lines will be around June/July 2015 and part of the first batch will be immediately submitted  for approval by the US authorities. As to how long that will take is anyone's guess but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes anywhere between 3-9mths.......However, if we are really lucky and can find a suitable US based manufacturer who can produce them within the US under licence, then it may speed things up a bit.

We'll keep you posted to developments.

Do you have any video on the shooting of  the prototype? How about pic of group size? I am not familiar with the particular model of Anschutz on which you design is based, although I have an Anschutz 1813 supermatch, but that is a target rifle.
As yet we never thought to do a video. I'll see if I can remedy that during the holidays and post it up on the Blog.

As to the Group size, the following were done earlier this year:


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on February 13, 2015, 03:27:33 AM
Just to give you all another heads up, I have been persuaded to join facebook and have included the address below.
Please pop over and say hi as I'm shamelessly trying to raise my profile. Wifey says I could do with widening my circle of friends.

http://www.facebook.com/artemis.forest.9

If you like what you see please like, add, follow and share. Admin and mods, please accept my apologies if I transgressed with this post in any way. I'm really sorry.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on February 18, 2015, 04:35:05 PM
Completely forgot I was asked to put up a video of the rifle in action. Apologies for this oversight, another case of sieve head for me..

I am now just waiting for some fresh images so I can upload to the Indiegogo campaign which was due to be launched tomorrow (19th), I'm hoping they will turn up soon as I really don't want to delay anything. Busy days ahead!

Please check your in-boxes for a PM from me over the coming days, I'm trying to raise the project profile without annoying too many mods and admin.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on March 16, 2015, 04:35:51 PM
By way of an update and in preparation for our Crowdfund launch on the 19th March (this month) I submit the following final renders for your interest. They speak for themselves so need no further description.



Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: Projectile Motion on March 16, 2015, 08:02:35 PM
looking good! i assume that is a folding charging handle?


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on March 17, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
looking good! i assume that is a folding charging handle?

Thank you.
Yes it is a folding charging handle. It can also be removed quickly to fit an intermount for a bipod.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on March 20, 2015, 02:42:09 AM
Hi all

I am pleased to announce that as of yesterday (19th March) our Crowdfunding campaign on Indiegogo.com is now live and will run for the next 50 days.

We've worked hard to bring the project this far and as you know it has not been without its problems, so it would give myself and the team a great boost if you could add your contributions and help us get the Sawfly 'off the drawing board', into manufacture and ultimately into your hands.

Thank you  :) 


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: Projectile Motion on March 23, 2015, 06:41:32 PM
Hi all

I am pleased to announce that as of yesterday (19th March) our Crowdfunding campaign on Indiegogo.com is now live and will run for the next 50 days.

We've worked hard to bring the project this far and as you know it has not been without its problems, so it would give myself and the team a great boost if you could add your contributions and help us get the Sawfly 'off the drawing board', into manufacture and ultimately into your hands.

Thank you  :) 


Do you have a link to your campaign?


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: artemis on March 23, 2015, 07:04:27 PM

Do you have a link to your campaign?
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Can't find out how the link function works but the address is below for you. Hoped this helps.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/artemis-sawfly-sporting-rifle/x/8167877


Title: Re:
Post by: penn25 on September 14, 2015, 06:55:59 PM
Very nice! I may have missed this but what is the oak of the bullpup? Any estimated cost as yet? Thanks and I really like this.

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Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: AnalogKid84 on October 29, 2015, 05:18:28 AM
This looks beautiful.  I've been salivating over 10/22 bullpup stocks lately, but I'd much prefer a dedicated .22lr bullpup with presumably easier field stripping / cleaning access.  Sorry to say the Walther G22 doesn't catch my eye, and yes, attraction is a factor when it comes to my relationships with firearms.   :-*

Doesn't seem to be much info out there past May '15.  I hope this gets off the ground.  Good luck, guys.


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: lawboy on June 13, 2017, 05:36:49 PM
Any update on this firearm?


Title: Re: .22lr Bullpup prototype
Post by: jpeppine on June 13, 2017, 09:19:15 PM
Looks very good, hope a left-hand or convertibility is still an option.  For AnalogKid64, I almost bought a G22, but didn't like the charging handle so far back on the gun.  Bought an Appeal instead.  Waiting for the "new" Keltec rear/downward ejection to become more available for my next acquisition.  The Sawfly looks like a great design - can't have too many .22 rimfires.