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Bullpup Rifles (Auto & Semi-Auto Centerfire) => Desert Tech MDR => Topic started by: reason on January 10, 2019, 03:33:32 PM



Title: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: reason on January 10, 2019, 03:33:32 PM


Nick Young has posted a video responding to the problems InRange experienced:
https://youtu.be/9ed01kq20dM (https://youtu.be/9ed01kq20dM)


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: EWTHeckman on January 10, 2019, 04:04:13 PM
I've just started plodding my way through that 20 minute video.

For Issue #1, Nick is claiming that customers were asking for the ability to "fine tune" rifles via the gas valve.

Seriously, Nick?!? C'mon! People have been begging for the ability to make it run reliably!!! That means being able to set the gas system to somewhere between "rips the rims off of cases" and "fully operating the bolt." The problem is that this power band seems to be extremely narrow with the better ammo, and non-existent with others. To call this "fine tuning" is kinda like saying, "Well sure, these cars still spontaneously explode, but we did what you asked to improve the ride."

If that is how he is taking customer feedback, the MDR will never get fixed.

Up until now, Nick's comments have involved areas where we couldn't know what was actually going on, so we had to take his word for it. (And that passed into "awfully convenient" some time ago.) This is a straight up attempt at gaslighting.

No wonder Nick left the forum. I suspected that he couldn't stand the heat. Now it's clear that he ran away from the explosion he was about to set off.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: thehun on January 10, 2019, 04:34:12 PM
Lets blame the customers for you stupid design screw up...good job DT...when will you freaking OWN UP TO YOUR MISHAPS...

MDR is turning into nice little pony show for all the blind sheep...

Well at least we know the three ammo types that are approved...but testing the MDR on only three ammo types was idiotic from the start...

Let's band aid the system by another gas plug (the 3rd of its kind)...but trust us...we thoroughly tested the MDR before...yeah right!

 :-X :-X :-X ::) ::) ::) ::) :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X



Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: whiskey91lima on January 10, 2019, 04:40:35 PM
It's good to know that DT still isn't acknowledging the very real issues with the MDR.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: AF Gunner on January 10, 2019, 04:51:48 PM
It's good to know that DT still isn't acknowledging the very real issues with the MDR.

Completely agree. Remington or Bushmaster would have quit the rifle by now. I'm glad DT is still actively working on making it better. It appears this new gas value is just going to be harder on the rifle, which I would think will bring on more torn rims again.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: whiskey91lima on January 10, 2019, 04:57:36 PM
The torn rims and bad extraction is more of an issue of dwell time than gas setting. Basically, the case is still over expanded and gripping the chamber before it has a chance to cool slightly and shrink. This is a millisecond phenomina that has to be designed for.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: thehun on January 10, 2019, 05:08:47 PM
Yup.

This new gas plug game is not going to solve the issue with the MDR.

The setting now has shifted more adverse which will do more harm than good.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: masterlab on January 10, 2019, 06:41:02 PM
Desert Tech acknowledged that the new 6 position gas valve will not fix all of the problems and have already noted other ways they are trying to improve the system such as the extractor.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: HamSpoon89 on January 10, 2019, 07:26:14 PM
I'm not sure why anyone would care what DT/Nick have to say about anything at this point.  They've spent 4+ years telling half truths, spreading misinformation, deceiving and manipulating, and then telling outright lies COUNTLESS times.  It is hard for me to think of a company that has less credibility. 

The only thing to pay attention to is independent third party testing with high round counts.  Basically everything else is irrelevant, especially from DT.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: Zeiram3f on January 10, 2019, 07:33:08 PM
Yeah, the "few customers who wanted fine tuning of their gas system" comment was rather irritating. 6 positions is fairly basic and gives us all a little wiggle room for the variances between each rifle. It's not like we asked for an RFB's 50 adjustment settings.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: kfeltenberger on January 10, 2019, 07:44:43 PM
I think that we need to realize that the echo chamber of the BPF and ARFcom are not the entirety of feedback that DT receives.  Just because it may not have happened or been observed here doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.  There are perhaps a dozen or so people here who have complained (with the rest joining in) about what their MDRs are doing.  Looking back when I managed a call center, we had a lot more direct contact (calls and e-mail) for features and options than we ever saw on our message boards.

Beyond that, I thought it was an informative presentation that explained (finally!) what they intended, what they used to test, and what they are planning to do to rectify the situation.  That said, I'll continue to shoot what I have and add the refits as they are released.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: HamSpoon89 on January 10, 2019, 07:57:17 PM
People realize more than you Kurt.  They realize that DT are a bunch of shady hucksters who made a poor product and are in full damage control.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: masterlab on January 10, 2019, 08:16:31 PM
People realize more than you Kurt.  They realize that DT are a bunch of shady hucksters who made a poor product and are in full damage control.

Potss, don't you have anything better to do than bash DT.

 I suppose DT shouldn't have done anything to try to improve the rifle. I guess they didn't give the 6 position gas valve as a warranty item for free and they should simply give up.

They screwed up in the past with delivery promises. They are trying to fix it. The rifle isn't perfect yet, they are providing solutions as they develop.

Rather than endless whining lets give DT credit for what they have done right. Respectfully voice where we are disappointed and move forward rather than constantly posting personal attacks against DT


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: HamSpoon89 on January 10, 2019, 09:10:34 PM
masterlab you are very late in this game.  I've been here since the beginning and along with everyone else offered nothing but cautious positivity and helpful feedback.  After 4+ years of lying by DT, and an absolute dumpster fire of an MDR, we are now merely pointing out the obvious with how DT conducts themselves, and those who attempt to do damage control for them (like Kurt).  To say calling a spade a spade is somehow "bashing DT" is beyond delusional.

DT deserves zero credit till they stop lying, taking peoples money, and produce a rifle that is even remotely close to functional.  Why that needs to be pointed out to you is beyond my reasoning. 

They need to sell the design to a competent company not controlled by a Mormon cult, end of story.



Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: whiskey91lima on January 10, 2019, 09:13:24 PM
DT deserves zero credit till they stop lying, taking peoples money, and produce a rifle that is even remotely close to functional. 

To their credit, the SRS-A2 does look like solid improvements compared to the A1.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: masterlab on January 10, 2019, 09:23:45 PM
masterlab you are very late in this game.  I've been here since the beginning and along with everyone else offered nothing but cautious positivity and helpful feedback.  After 4+ years of lying by DT, and an absolute dumpster fire of an MDR, we are now merely pointing out the obvious with how DT conducts themselves, and those who attempt to do damage control for them (like Kurt).  To say calling a spade a spade is somehow "bashing DT" is beyond delusional.

DT deserves zero credit till they stop lying, taking peoples money, and produce a rifle that is even remotely close to functional.  Why that needs to be pointed out to you is beyond my reasoning. 

They need to sell the design to a competent company not controlled by a Mormon cult, end of story.



I Joined this forum in 2013, a year before you did, so don't tell me I have joined late in the game, I have also been following the MDR from the very beginning. As to your other opinions and the way you wish to conduct yourself I have spoken my piece for the time being


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: HamSpoon89 on January 10, 2019, 09:32:05 PM
You joined the conversation late in the game was the meaning.

And if you've really been following that long, you have absolutely no excuse for your statements here.  It makes them worse and more damning, not better.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: Zeiram3f on January 10, 2019, 11:10:47 PM
Perhaps the real question is if you have anything meaningful or helpful to add to the discussion?

The few times I check into the forum and I see a post by Potss, I expect it to be a negative post directed at DT or Kurt. If not specifically that, itís a post filled with venom and negativity. Why? I honestly donít know and have conditioned myself to skim over or scroll past most of these posts after realizing they serve no useful purpose for the BPF community.

I rarely have much of value to add myself, but I like to try and be a voice of reason when I can. Feel free to tip the scales, but jumping on the opposing end of the teeter-totter is no fun for anyone but the person jumping.

I donít know what forum mods do here, but streamlining a thread should be considered a valuable task.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: HamSpoon89 on January 11, 2019, 09:31:20 AM
Ah I see, so in your book pointing out and correcting lies, misinformation, deception, apologia, and what amounts to shilling from a manufacturer and its fanboys is "of little to no value" and should be a ban-able offense.

While on the flip side, actually doing the lying, misinforming, deception, apologia, and shilling should be highly encouraged and in fact the mods should provide a safe space for it.

What an odd, upside down world you must live in Zeiram3f.  If you don't want to see negative things about a product, then you should hope for or focus on products that aren't dumpster fires made by manufacturers that aren't trying to make their customers pay for their entire R&D and shipping knowingly defective products to make money.

Everyone on this board wants a kick ass MDR.  But that isn't what we've gotten, and DT has proven themselves not only incapable of delivering such a product, but also incapable of telling the truth.  Do you realize how many chances they've been given?  How many times they've been given the benefit of the doubt?  How many times they've face a simple choice: to spend the money, fix the issues, do the testing, and tell the truth....and then chosen to do the opposite?  I find that overly negative.  I find that of little value.  I find people that defend and aid that behavior both of those things.

If DT does miraculously turn things around as a company and with their product, I'll be the first cheerleader in line (or better yet if they sell the design to competent people).  But we are so far away from that currently I've stopped bothering to write it out EVERY POST like I used to when I made and even slightly negative comment. Videos full of more dubious statements which are likely about as true as their prior videos (which is to say NOT REMOTELY) are evidence of nothing but more of the same.  As I said, until they meet a proper standard of evidence for a reliable rifle (let alone accurate, lightweight, battle ready, etc all the other promises) then this is on THEM.

In other words, this is a you problem.



Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: Aussie E on January 11, 2019, 10:24:37 AM
I don't believe he'll read your response from his previous post, but I found it thoroughly engrossing.

AE


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: Zeiram3f on January 11, 2019, 11:46:31 AM
I don't believe he'll read your response from his previous post, but I found it thoroughly engrossing.

AE

Heh. You would be right, however I did address him by pseudonym, so I should at least give him the courtesy of response.

I'll outline my response below:

1. This is the last post I'll make on the matter, at least in this thread as I don't wish to muddy it up with non-relevant material. That said, you're free to trash me like I expect you may, and you won't have to deal with me responding! It's a win for both of us. Like I said in another post between Potss and Kurt - DM each other if you have issues not relevant to the post. So, Potss, please reply publicly if you wish. I can't respond and waste anymore of the community's time... but I'm making an exception for this post (double standard, sorry). If you wish to continue, you may DM me.

2. You read into my statements. I never said "ban-able", but if that's what you wish to see, then by all means, see it.

3. I never asked that we don't discuss negative things. I suggested we have productive discussion about it. The toxic persona you portray on this site, whether it's the real you or not, is non-productive. I have my gripes and praises for DT and justifiably so. I'm one of the lucky few with a functioning rifle, but that required multiple trips back to DT, and I still question whether or not I want to keep the MDR to this day... I'm tooting my own horn here, but at least I can take a balanced approach on my outlook. DT has made some worthless and vile decisions imo. But they've also taken on a financial risk I personally wouldn't. So I'll commend them at least for that.

4. Lastly, reading through how you actually type out your responses, it's clear that you're at least intelligent and well educated. So my guess is that you're online persona is either to play an angry vehement individual or you just have trouble disassociating your frustrations from life to online. I get it if either is the case... However, I would like to ask you... how do you want people to remember you? Do you want people to take you seriously or do you want them to be the annoyed store clerk behind the Walmart return counter, hearing the same gripe day after day? I think you're capable of coming across as a civil member on this group, but potential is only that and I would hope to see it fulfilled some day. See Jordan Peterson, and Ben Shapiro for quality examples.

Regardless, a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: BellatorInvictus on January 11, 2019, 08:39:56 PM
Ah I see, so in your book pointing out and correcting lies, misinformation, deception, apologia, and what amounts to shilling from a manufacturer and its fanboys is "of little to no value" and should be a ban-able offense.

While on the flip side, actually doing the lying, misinforming, deception, apologia, and shilling should be highly encouraged and in fact the mods should provide a safe space for it.

What an odd, upside down world you must live in Zeiram3f.  If you don't want to see negative things about a product, then you should hope for or focus on products that aren't dumpster fires made by manufacturers that aren't trying to make their customers pay for their entire R&D and shipping knowingly defective products to make money.

Everyone on this board wants a kick ass MDR.  But that isn't what we've gotten, and DT has proven themselves not only incapable of delivering such a product, but also incapable of telling the truth.  Do you realize how many chances they've been given?  How many times they've been given the benefit of the doubt?  How many times they've face a simple choice: to spend the money, fix the issues, do the testing, and tell the truth....and then chosen to do the opposite?  I find that overly negative.  I find that of little value.  I find people that defend and aid that behavior both of those things.

If DT does miraculously turn things around as a company and with their product, I'll be the first cheerleader in line (or better yet if they sell the design to competent people).  But we are so far away from that currently I've stopped bothering to write it out EVERY POST like I used to when I made and even slightly negative comment. Videos full of more dubious statements which are likely about as true as their prior videos (which is to say NOT REMOTELY) are evidence of nothing but more of the same.  As I said, until they meet a proper standard of evidence for a reliable rifle (let alone accurate, lightweight, battle ready, etc all the other promises) then this is on THEM.

In other words, this is a you problem.


THIS.

I called this whole situation back in 2017, and people around here practically lynched me for it. I hate to say I told you so... but I told you so. I don't understand why people wish to defend this company.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: whiskey91lima on January 11, 2019, 08:53:56 PM
I mean, I saw this coming in 2014 when they said they'd be releasing the rifle that summer...


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: Zeiram3f on January 11, 2019, 09:23:15 PM
Yeah. Iím a fan of their new donít show donít tell policy. Just release and announce when itís done and working.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: HamSpoon89 on January 11, 2019, 09:53:46 PM
Zeiram3f any reasonable person reading your comment would have come to the exact same conclusions I did.  No one eludes to mods cleaning up a thread and thinks otherwise.  You can try and back away from it all you want, but it is very clear what you were saying.  Perhaps (doubtfully) that wasn't your intention, but then you just need to learn to write more clearly. 

Now you've moved from saying that my posts were of little to no value, to claiming that they are toxic.  Your new claim is as fallacious as your old.  Again, what kind of crazy f***ed up world do you inhabit where lies, misinformation, deception, apologia, and shilling are deemed non-toxic, but calling them out is toxic?  Stating facts and recounting recent events is somehow toxic to you?  And pointing out when fanboys are participating in what basically amounts to fraud is now slander?  Wherever you live, I don't want to move there.

Also, DT isn't risking their capital, they are risking your capital, those of all the buyers and investors.  But even if it were all their own, there is nothing to be respected or commend there.  You risk captial by going to Vegas for a weekend.  Risking capital is almost the least you can do.  Things to respect and commend are hard work, brave leadership, honesty, integrity, and putting others first.  You know, the EXACT OPPOSITE of everything DT has done since day 1 with the MDR, and continues to do to this day.

The rest of your post is Jungian drivel.  Unlike the first part of your post, which was just drivel. I feel that distinction needed to be made.

I'm sure you are not responding because of some ridiculous notion of "cleaning up the thread" instead of....not being able to contend with the truth...I'm sure it is the former and not the latter, just 110% positive.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: reason on January 11, 2019, 11:17:48 PM
Deleted because It has nothing to do with the forum and I was ranting...
;)


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: whiskey91lima on January 12, 2019, 12:46:39 AM
Someone got triggered. I thought this was a forum about bullpups, not what school of philosophical thought everyone follows and choose to insult the other.

How about that SRS-A2?

Mods, seems like this thread needs to be locked.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: thehun on January 12, 2019, 12:14:17 PM
SRS-A2 looks great actually...wish it was LH friendly...


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: whiskey91lima on January 12, 2019, 02:26:57 PM
SRS-A2 looks great actually...wish it was LH friendly...

I think throse are all great upgrades. The barrel clamping method improvement looks fantastic.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: Er98ah on January 13, 2019, 10:14:49 AM
I think that we need to realize that the echo chamber of the BPF and ARFcom are not the entirety of feedback that DT receives.  Just because it may not have happened or been observed here doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.  There are perhaps a dozen or so people here who have complained (with the rest joining in) about what their MDRs are doing.  Looking back when I managed a call center, we had a lot more direct contact (calls and e-mail) for features and options than we ever saw on our message boards.

Beyond that, I thought it was an informative presentation that explained (finally!) what they intended, what they used to test, and what they are planning to do to rectify the situation.  That said, I'll continue to shoot what I have and add the refits as they are released.

how come you defend 100% of everything DT does? are you on their payroll. I can almost guess what your answer is going to be to everything at this point.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: Heathsrow on January 13, 2019, 11:47:07 AM
I think that we need to realize that the echo chamber of the BPF and ARFcom are not the entirety of feedback that DT receives.  Just because it may not have happened or been observed here doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.  There are perhaps a dozen or so people here who have complained (with the rest joining in) about what their MDRs are doing.  Looking back when I managed a call center, we had a lot more direct contact (calls and e-mail) for features and options than we ever saw on our message boards.

Beyond that, I thought it was an informative presentation that explained (finally!) what they intended, what they used to test, and what they are planning to do to rectify the situation.  That said, I'll continue to shoot what I have and add the refits as they are released.

how come you defend 100% of everything DT does? are you on their payroll. I can almost guess what your answer is going to be to everything at this point.

Er98ah, please read the post from two days ago! No Personal attacks! This forum is for discussions of the MDR both good and bad, not personal attacks.

Thank you
Heathsrow


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: spacegunz on January 14, 2019, 03:07:30 PM
Ah I see, so in your book pointing out and correcting lies, misinformation, deception, apologia, and what amounts to shilling from a manufacturer and its fanboys is "of little to no value" and should be a ban-able offense.

While on the flip side, actually doing the lying, misinforming, deception, apologia, and shilling should be highly encouraged and in fact the mods should provide a safe space for it.

What an odd, upside down world you must live in Zeiram3f.  If you don't want to see negative things about a product, then you should hope for or focus on products that aren't dumpster fires made by manufacturers that aren't trying to make their customers pay for their entire R&D and shipping knowingly defective products to make money.

Everyone on this board wants a kick ass MDR.  But that isn't what we've gotten, and DT has proven themselves not only incapable of delivering such a product, but also incapable of telling the truth.  Do you realize how many chances they've been given?  How many times they've been given the benefit of the doubt?  How many times they've face a simple choice: to spend the money, fix the issues, do the testing, and tell the truth....and then chosen to do the opposite?  I find that overly negative.  I find that of little value.  I find people that defend and aid that behavior both of those things.

If DT does miraculously turn things around as a company and with their product, I'll be the first cheerleader in line (or better yet if they sell the design to competent people).  But we are so far away from that currently I've stopped bothering to write it out EVERY POST like I used to when I made and even slightly negative comment. Videos full of more dubious statements which are likely about as true as their prior videos (which is to say NOT REMOTELY) are evidence of nothing but more of the same.  As I said, until they meet a proper standard of evidence for a reliable rifle (let alone accurate, lightweight, battle ready, etc all the other promises) then this is on THEM.

In other words, this is a you problem.


THIS.

I called this whole situation back in 2017, and people around here practically lynched me for it. I hate to say I told you so... but I told you so. I don't understand why people wish to defend this company.

100% this. I fully agree with Potts and you: Iíve had the same experience as you with the toxic ďdiehard Desert Tech apologistsĒ (as I call them) that hang around these forums like a hungry pack of wolves, attacking anyone who suggests seriously holding DT and their reputation accountable.

Iíve been following the MDR with excitement for some time, but despite my prediction of exactly what is happening now, my ďpessimismĒ was swarmed with relentless attacks (including personal ones) by many people here (I wonít mention their names specifically, for the sake of civility).

I will mention that Potss and a few others have always been rational, friendly, helpful and civil in defending people like us from the DT fanboy attacks. And yet they are stuck taking much of the mob wrath, as a result.

We just want a good rifle ó the rifle we were promised. Forgiveness only goes so far, when DT keeps sweeping issues under the rug, and keeps selling a fundamentally broken product at premium prices. Yet, I suspect most of us are willing to forgive DT if they legitimately own up to their mistakes, lies, deception, and ďtruth bendingĒ, and fix their product.

But we all know how the more someone deceived and doubles down on those deceptions, the deeper they dig themselves into a hole that is progressively more difficult to truly escape. So forgive me if I am skeptical until they actually do redeem themselves. Whatís that old saying / poem? ďWhat a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive.Ē

As for how to shape the dialogue around here healthily: Perhaps look to forums where customers discuss a manufacturer who completely botched a product launch, and how those customers come together to demand better treatment from that manufacturer ó rather than attacking each other for not being loyal enough to the brand. Youíll generally find this kind of heathy dialogue in generic product discussion forums, not so much forums where the diehard fans and apologists hang out. So, maybe itís too much for me to expect objectivity around here? I hope not. I certainly hope we can expect civility though.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: spector762 on January 14, 2019, 09:15:55 PM
The torn rims and bad extraction is more of an issue of dwell time than gas setting. Basically, the case is still over expanded and gripping the chamber before it has a chance to cool slightly and shrink. This is a millisecond phenomina that has to be designed for.
ok so what can be done to alow more time for it to cool down can anyone draw the bcg with the cam angle modified  on autocad and ill see if i can get it milled out on the mazak


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: rtp on January 16, 2019, 10:54:27 PM
Mixed on DTs response video.
"500 rounds through the rifle before 'tuning'" - just lol.  I've spent hundreds on factory ammo already vs normally reloading, and had failures across multiple ammo types, including IMI Match ammo, PPU Match, etc.  Those '500 rounds' had better be M80 ball....but 500 round 'break-in' is IMO excessive.

Wider extractor as an 'upgrade' - is this implying with a cost associated with it, on top of a $2500 rifle, or as a free warranty replacement, NOT requiring sending them the rifle?

I did like the quote "All M80 surplus will work with the 2019 valve" - we'll see. 

Haven't had many additional rounds through my MDR since my last posts, but overall still in a waiting period of keep or ditch it, personally. 
I'm not convinced that polishing the chamber and ejection case clip in the side panel should be NEEDED to be done by the end user, although I have no issues doing it.  I think I'm just not convinced the gas plus is a real solution here vs a more fundamental issue on the gas system design, length, reciprocating mass, etc.

An overall big 'We'll see what happens next' from me.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: induna on January 17, 2019, 12:18:50 AM
I don't believe he'll read your response from his previous post, but I found it thoroughly engrossing.

AE

Heh. You would be right, however I did address him by pseudonym, so I should at least give him the courtesy of response.

I'll outline my response below:

1. This is the last post I'll make on the matter, at least in this thread as I don't wish to muddy it up with non-relevant material. That said, you're free to trash me like I expect you may, and you won't have to deal with me responding! It's a win for both of us. Like I said in another post between Potss and Kurt - DM each other if you have issues not relevant to the post. So, Potss, please reply publicly if you wish. I can't respond and waste anymore of the community's time... but I'm making an exception for this post (double standard, sorry). If you wish to continue, you may DM me.

2. You read into my statements. I never said "ban-able", but if that's what you wish to see, then by all means, see it.

3. I never asked that we don't discuss negative things. I suggested we have productive discussion about it. The toxic persona you portray on this site, whether it's the real you or not, is non-productive. I have my gripes and praises for DT and justifiably so. I'm one of the lucky few with a functioning rifle, but that required multiple trips back to DT, and I still question whether or not I want to keep the MDR to this day... I'm tooting my own horn here, but at least I can take a balanced approach on my outlook. DT has made some worthless and vile decisions imo. But they've also taken on a financial risk I personally wouldn't. So I'll commend them at least for that.

4. Lastly, reading through how you actually type out your responses, it's clear that you're at least intelligent and well educated. So my guess is that you're online persona is either to play an angry vehement individual or you just have trouble disassociating your frustrations from life to online. I get it if either is the case... However, I would like to ask you... how do you want people to remember you? Do you want people to take you seriously or do you want them to be the annoyed store clerk behind the Walmart return counter, hearing the same gripe day after day? I think you're capable of coming across as a civil member on this group, but potential is only that and I would hope to see it fulfilled some day. See Jordan Peterson, and Ben Shapiro for quality examples.

Regardless, a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.

This was the most thorough and polite roasting I've ever seen. And I grew up on the internet. Props, buddy.

Also, I ordered my MDR before both the InRange and Daddy Garand videos came out. They both made me nervous beyond belief, and I almost had a fit when I went through the first mag of my MDR. But I think the issues with the early runs of the rifle have been sorted out- no malfunctions after the first 30 rounds. Even the Kel-Tec RFB had teething issues. It's not a proven platform like the AR-10 or what have you, but it's a .308 bullpup, which is already a string of words that sends most gun manufacturers into fits of laughter.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: HamSpoon89 on January 17, 2019, 05:34:42 PM
It was a load of apologia and backpedaling.  The tone is irrelevant.

Anyway, I'm glad you haven't had issues with your MDR....yet.  As I said, get to 5K no issues and we'll start to have some data on how reliable they really are.

The trouble isn't just with the rifles, but with how DT handled the problems from the beginning.  None of them seem at all solved yet either.


Title: Re: Response and solutions to InRange:
Post by: HBeretta on January 17, 2019, 08:33:47 PM
even worse, in the srs-a2 live stream nick goes on to talk about how they've learned their lesson about past mistakes and how the srs-a2 is ready, "...has been tested every way to sunday."  more or less, basically admitting that the MDR WASN'T ready...yet they are still shipping anyway.  well of course it isn't ready, they're shipping 556 guns without panels right?

it's rather convenient that their focus will be on the new SRS-A2(perfect timing) to divert attention away from the MDR at shotshow2019...of course, a given.  in connecting the dots, when DT announced MDR production in 2016...all the 'boy who cried wolf' promises along the way, the glass door reviews speaking to unpaid vendors then to top it all off...nick stating in the first MDR owner youtube vid how if they would've taken that multimillion dollar SRS contract...the MDR would have been done a lot sooner...kidding or not...if the slate were clean...

all this aside though, the new gas plug solution doesn't instill confidence at all.  with all the other issues people are reporting.  personally, i feel for those who spent their hard earned money on a s***ty product, yet i'm glad that an arrogant CEO who talked s*** on public forums about other companies only to serve up an overpriced s*** sandwich for a rifle...got what was deserved.

now it's time to own up and take care of those people who own your product instead of fleeing from forums that committed to group buys for your product....and instead of throwing up lame powerpoint presentations basically stating you're going to overgas the rifle...admit you failed miserably and that your intent is to right this debacle.