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Bullpup Shotguns => IWI Tavor TS12 => Topic started by: konigstigerii on January 16, 2018, 11:31:36 PM



Title: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: konigstigerii on January 16, 2018, 11:31:36 PM
There was someone that posted on facebook, leaked pictures of the TS-12. It looks pretty cool, with a MSRP of $1399 though, It should do well.

The post got pulled though, so dunno how long it will last here

-J


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Tvfreakarms on January 17, 2018, 12:11:06 AM
It looks like it weighs 20lbs 😂. I'm interested

LLAP



Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: issues on January 17, 2018, 12:11:50 AM
There's a post on Instagram as well.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BeCQRNgFvUG/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BeCQRNgFvUG/)


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: konigstigerii on January 17, 2018, 12:15:11 AM
An an article

https://auctionarmory.com/introducing-the-tavor-ts12-iwi-uss-first-bullpup-shotgun-the-tactical-style-gas-regulated-shotgun-features-three-magazine-tubes-for-a-maximum-round-capacity-of-15-rounds-plus-one/ (https://auctionarmory.com/introducing-the-tavor-ts12-iwi-uss-first-bullpup-shotgun-the-tactical-style-gas-regulated-shotgun-features-three-magazine-tubes-for-a-maximum-round-capacity-of-15-rounds-plus-one/)



Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Aussie E on January 17, 2018, 12:29:14 AM
Interdasting.

AE


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: haligan101 on January 17, 2018, 12:53:46 AM
8lbs, 15 round in three 5 round tubes.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on January 17, 2018, 01:40:36 AM
I like it, but at the same time, it just looks really funky. Like a Pancor Jackhammer that was sprinkled with some IWI goodness, and rechristened the Hebrewhammer.

With a few more hours to think about this, I'm actually pretty excited for this scatterpup. This is the only IWI offering that I'd really like to pick up. Got another pup to pick up before I can even consider this.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 02:02:25 AM
If I didn't already have a DP-12, I might buy it. But for only 5 shots before another tube, I prefer bang bang pump.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 17, 2018, 04:12:24 PM
I just sold my KSG, another 15 round shotun. I wonder what I can replace that with? I canceled the Binelli when I seen this portly little stroker. Coming soon in its full menecing glory to shot show and a gun safe near you.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Kaahtt on January 17, 2018, 06:41:33 PM
Ok, let me get this straight. Its an eight pound semi-auto, tube magazine fed shotgun. A more bullpuppy srm 16.

I mean, there is a lack of bullpup tube fed semi autos, but do we really need one? Is this something the Israeli would actually use in the field? The thing I love about the tar21 is that it is an honest-to-God weapon of war. Its a bit heavier then it needs to be, but its all sorts of rugged. Same for the x95. The 308 they are making looks like the best parts of the tar21 and the x95 rolled into the battle rifle we all wish we had.

This thing... it looks like a needlessly complex, cash grab from american fanboys.









Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: dntam on January 17, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
Looks too bulky, no thanks.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: SteveD on January 18, 2018, 05:50:01 AM
I mean bullpups are meant for CQB. What better platform to put it in. A shotgun bullpup!  ;D. Honestly though, I think the I'd rather get the SKO-Bull. Only thing I hate about magazine fed shotguns are the pricey mags.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Josefius on January 18, 2018, 08:48:44 AM
Itís rocking the Meprolight M5. 👍


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Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: thehun on January 18, 2018, 09:55:45 AM
Not sure this is needed or will sell great in the market today.

I think most people, including me, would just got with a Benelli M4 as their go-to high end shotgun.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: racky on January 18, 2018, 01:52:52 PM
I like it .....BUT hate the fact that its NOT mag fed, tubes are to slow to reload.....And now the front end will be heavy with 15 rounds ahead of the trigger.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: MajorKong on January 18, 2018, 03:23:45 PM
So long  as it is reliable, I'll buy one.  And I am glad that it is tube fed.  Mag fed shotguns are too unreliable for home defense use. 



Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Aussie E on January 18, 2018, 03:43:16 PM
I like it .....BUT hate the fact that its NOT mag fed, tubes are to slow to reload.....And now the front end will be heavy with 15 rounds ahead of the trigger.

Tubes loaded with speed loaders are faaaaaaaaaast.

AE


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on January 18, 2018, 03:50:51 PM
I do have to wonder why people insist about quickly reloading a shotgun that has a 15 shell capacity. It just seems nonsensical under most situations.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 18, 2018, 04:23:09 PM
There is a lot I want to know about this shotgun. I doubt it feeds like a top end 3 gun but also think maybe easier than the KSG. What is the switch on the mid barrel that reads L and M? Lock and manual modes for the tubes? Also, the shell deflectors, are they hinged? Is that where you feed the rounds or in another location? How fast is the gas system compared to Beretta and others? The tube selector switch in the cutless, do you press that with your finger or thumb and manually rotate the tube? How much of a delay is there between tubes? Does it have built in iron sights? I'll have to Waite for shot show as I am very curious to see how this thing runs.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: ExaltedVanguard on January 18, 2018, 06:07:18 PM
There is a lot I want to know about this shotgun. I doubt it feeds like a top end 3 gun but also think maybe easier than the KSG. What is the switch on the mid barrel that reads L and M? Lock and manual modes for the tubes? Also, the shell deflectors, are they hinged? Is that where you feed the rounds or in another location? How fast is the gas system compared to Beretta and others? The tube selector switch in the cutless, do you press that with your finger or thumb and manually rotate the tube? How much of a delay is there between tubes? Does it have built in iron sights? I'll have to Waite for shot show as I am very curious to see how this thing runs.

I'm also curious what the L/M lever does. Locked vs Manual seems like odd nomenclature. You'd think Locked vs Unlocked or Manual vs Automatic. It appears to be located on the gas system, but the best I can come up with is Low vs Max gas - which seems equally odd.

I believe that switching tubes is done by pressing forward on the lever inside the trigger guard and then manually rotating them. Multiple sources claim that the next round is automatically loaded once the tube is locked into place.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Aussie E on January 18, 2018, 11:52:15 PM
There is a lot I want to know about this shotgun. I doubt it feeds like a top end 3 gun but also think maybe easier than the KSG. What is the switch on the mid barrel that reads L and M? Lock and manual modes for the tubes? Also, the shell deflectors, are they hinged? Is that where you feed the rounds or in another location? How fast is the gas system compared to Beretta and others? The tube selector switch in the cutless, do you press that with your finger or thumb and manually rotate the tube? How much of a delay is there between tubes? Does it have built in iron sights? I'll have to Waite for shot show as I am very curious to see how this thing runs.

I'm also curious what the L/M lever does. Locked vs Manual seems like odd nomenclature. You'd think Locked vs Unlocked or Manual vs Automatic. It appears to be located on the gas system, but the best I can come up with is Low vs Max gas - which seems equally odd.

I believe that switching tubes is done by pressing forward on the lever inside the trigger guard and then manually rotating them. Multiple sources claim that the next round is automatically loaded once the tube is locked into place.

I do wear glasses but when I zoom in on the photo above it appears to be L and H. One would assume this would be for Low base or High base 12 gauge shells.

AE


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 19, 2018, 12:20:03 AM
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I do wear glasses but when I zoom in on the photo above it appears to be L and H. One would assume this would be for Low base or High base 12 gauge shells.

AE

That could be one question solved. Still looks like an M to be but could very well be an H. Good pick up Aussie.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 19, 2018, 11:28:37 AM
I'm guessing it will run real similar to this.
https://youtu.be/5csDjFQOlHo (https://youtu.be/5csDjFQOlHo)







Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Rastoff on January 19, 2018, 01:44:42 PM
I think most people, including me, would just got with a Benelli M4 as their go-to high end shotgun.
Having owned and used a lot of shotguns, I'll take the Mossberg 930 SPX over the Benelli M4 every day. But some people like spending twice the money for half the capacity and no increase in reliability.

I do wear glasses but when I zoom in on the photo above it appears to be L and H. One would assume this would be for Low base or High base 12 gauge shells.

AE
I don't know what that lever does, but I can guarantee you it has nothing to do with low/high brass. There is absolutely no difference between the two bases.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: JesseJames38 on January 19, 2018, 03:29:13 PM
Perhaps instead of low and high brass its more of (Light and Heavy)  loads.  Such as target loads vs magnum loads.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Rastoff on January 19, 2018, 08:09:36 PM
Well, you could have a good point there JesseJames38. I've never heard of a shotgun with such a switch on it, but known many that could use it.

Even so, a quality self-defense semi-auto shotgun should cycle both light and heavy loads without issue. My 930SPX cycles 1oz 1150FPS loads and 00Buck 1350FPS loads perfectly.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Aussie E on January 19, 2018, 08:55:42 PM
Well, you could have a good point there JesseJames38. I've never heard of a shotgun with such a switch on it, but known many that could use it.

My mag fed AK pattern Catamount 12G has 4 gas settings.

AE


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 20, 2018, 08:40:26 PM
A Google hangout discussing mostly competition to  the new IWI TS-12. Just over an hour long talking mostly about the Six12.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLSUzSr_zDM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLSUzSr_zDM)



Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Rastoff on January 21, 2018, 02:42:25 AM
My mag fed AK pattern Catamount 12G has 4 gas settings.

AE
Is that done by a switch or by changing out bushings?


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Aussie E on January 21, 2018, 01:10:08 PM
My mag fed AK pattern Catamount 12G has 4 gas settings.

AE
Is that done by a switch or by changing out bushings?

Knob on the gas block.

AE


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 22, 2018, 12:18:30 PM
You were correct on the gas setting switch.
https://youtu.be/VnvHVq4xeBk (https://youtu.be/VnvHVq4xeBk)


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Practicool on January 22, 2018, 05:03:40 PM
After watching that video, all can say is..

DO WANT!   TAKE MY MONEY!  :)

::chuckles::   

Seriously though, being a lefty and running an Ithaca (downward ejecting pump) Model 37 Defense gun in classes, I've held off on a semi-auto for a long time.  No complaints, it works quite well, and I can outrun 99% of the pump guys that show up.  But still a couple of those Benelli guys are so slick and leave me in the dust.  For a while I thought the solution might be the SKO bull, but not only has that been vaporware for a long time, it's not really ambi.  IWI has answered my call again!

In fact, seeing that IWI is putting out 2 guns (TS-12 and Tavor 7) with faster and easier Ambi systems, I am afraid that next year they will be releasing the ultimate 5.56 (maybe retooled Tavor 7?) and I'll have to retire my SAR.

Until then, looking forward to the TS-12!


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Rastoff on January 22, 2018, 08:45:36 PM
That's a very cool feature with the L-H setting switch. I've never seen a shotgun with such a simple set up. I have seen some with different bushings, but Aussie E's AK pattern gun with adjustable gas block was new to me.

This is another winner from IWI as far as I'm concerned.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Heavy on January 22, 2018, 09:30:06 PM
Its not really a tavor, They should have called it the Meggido. I think mine will get some N7 decals.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: racky on January 23, 2018, 01:35:29 AM
WOW!!!!, after watching the shot show videos on the TS-12, I'm extremely interested, ......Man IWI keeps producing really fun cool guns , ........Its turning me into an IWI  addict, ...gotta have the TS-12, AND tavor7, and the Tavor 7 is reasonably priced ,compared to most ar15-308's,..I used to own a benelli M1 super 90, awesome shotgun, should da never sold it, but the TS-12 I think will be better.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: SteveD on January 23, 2018, 04:02:46 AM
Watching the videos of Shot Show and reading the comments hurt my brain. People complain that it's big. Well do you prefer the traditional non bullpups that add like an extra 8"? Or how they say, "SO IT'S A SRM 1216?". Once again, bullpup, better weight distribution and length... Bullpup virgins...


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Aussie E on January 23, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
I like it .....BUT hate the fact that its NOT mag fed, tubes are to slow to reload.....And now the front end will be heavy with 15 rounds ahead of the trigger.

Tubes loaded with speed loaders are faaaaaaaaaast.

AE

From the video it looks like speed loaders may be viable.

AE


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 23, 2018, 04:36:08 PM
Quote

From the video it looks like speed loaders may be viable.

AE

In this shot show video at the :46 second mark he stacked two shells on top of one another and pretty much shoved them both in with a single push.
Here is the clip.
https://youtu.be/4dpyPCt-oOk (https://youtu.be/4dpyPCt-oOk)


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Tommydogg on January 24, 2018, 09:17:08 PM
I need a left TS12 and a right TS12.  That'd be 30 rounds!


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Heavy on January 24, 2018, 09:38:50 PM
I need a left TS12 and a right TS12.  That'd be 30 rounds!
30+2. Be sure to post a video when you figure out how to turn the tubes while dual wielding.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: MarkB on January 25, 2018, 11:14:13 PM
I wonder what it would take to damage the TS12 if you drop it on the mag tubes?  How much force and would the TS12 still function?  Possible failure point?


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: racky on January 25, 2018, 11:34:32 PM
Heavy, that's simple, you just get the 2 extra arms biobot kit from  the mad scientist guy in one of the spiderman movies,......Aussie E, a while back way after I sold my benelli I saw those speed loaders for shot guns,...if they work on a TS-12, .....all the more better.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 27, 2018, 02:46:07 PM
In the SS videos it looks like a 1.5 times twisting movement to rotate one tube to the next. This is probably just getting used to it and a single twist will become your norm. I wonder, and I don't think it's possible because of the size of the tube mag that is needed, but to have an after market tube that had 4 instead of 3. The twist would be shorter and quicker the rounds would be 20+1 and of course it would be heavier


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Aussie E on January 27, 2018, 05:21:10 PM
I would have liked to see the rotation of the tubes to be me mechanically or spring driven. Press the switch and the tube automatically rotates and snaps in place. Just a thought.

AE


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: WarMachine4X4 on January 28, 2018, 04:42:54 PM
I like it .....BUT hate the fact that its NOT mag fed, tubes are to slow to reload.....And now the front end will be heavy with 15 rounds ahead of the trigger.

I share similar concerns.  I have long wanted a semi-auto bullpup in 12 ga., but still like the ability to change magazines quickly with my Saiga 12.  Of course, it takes a fair amount of work to get a Siaga 12 to run really well with everything, and even then you still have the issues or balance, weight and length.   I  think that even with 15 rounds ahead of the trigger, the TS 12 will probably still balance better than my Saiga.

If IWI or the aftermarket could furhter refine it to use detachable tubes like the SRM 1216 then it that would be very nice. Also making the tubes auto-rotate might be nice although having each tube loaded differently and just manually rotating accordingly has an advantage as well.

The TS12 is definitely within my considerations though.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 28, 2018, 07:56:48 PM
I didn't see this mentioned in any SS videos or I missed it.
Quoted from an article from "Thetruthaboutguns" on TS-12 FTE.

"My first stop at SHOT range day was the IWI tent to check out the new Tavor TS12. I was lucky enough to not even have to wait in line. I watched an IWI rep shoot the new bullpup shotgun.
Unfortunately he experienced a lot of failures to eject, due to light loads. Keep in mind it was a prototype gun. After switching to loads that fire over 1,200 fps the gun ran perfectly. Sorry guys, no mini shells."


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: ammomans on January 29, 2018, 07:25:46 PM
I just sold my KSG in anticipation for this.

I only plan on shooting buckshot or slugs, so Iím not concerned about light loads.  Being a semi auto AND super easy to load will be a huge step up from my KSG.

I just hope not having an angled fore grip wonít ruin it for me...


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: WarMachine4X4 on January 29, 2018, 09:15:05 PM
I didn't see this mentioned in any SS videos or I missed it.
Quoted from an article from "Thetruthaboutguns" on TS-12 FTE.

"My first stop at SHOT range day was the IWI tent to check out the new Tavor TS12. I was lucky enough to not even have to wait in line. I watched an IWI rep shoot the new bullpup shotgun.
Unfortunately he experienced a lot of failures to eject, due to light loads. Keep in mind it was a prototype gun. After switching to loads that fire over 1,200 fps the gun ran perfectly. Sorry guys, no mini shells."

It's stated to have an integral gas regulation system, I'm not sure if that means it is adjustable or not, but if it is then running lighter loads and mini-shells might be possible with the right gas adjustment and getting broken in over time.

Saigas and their like do not do well with light loads such as walmart low brass birdshot when brand new from the factory, but with a better aftermarket gas adjustment, and breaking it in with some heavy loads they do just fine with them.  I'll have to admit that I've not tried reduced recoil buckshot loads or mini shells in my Saiga though.

I'm thinking though that it shouldn't be too much of an issue to over come.  I also hope that speed loaders may be a viable option for the lack of magazines or detachable tubes like the SRM1216.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: ammomans on January 30, 2018, 12:52:51 AM
It does have the switch for High/Low brass, which Iím assuming is for gas regulation.  But cheap bird shot isnít what this firearm begs for! :)

Maybe itís just me, but I thought there would be a lot more discussion on this new firearm...  Seems like most members here donít care...


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 30, 2018, 02:01:41 AM
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I just sold my KSG in anticipation for this.

I sold my KSG as well 3 weeks ago and ordered a Benelli M2. A week after I sent my pro form in to Benelli I seen that IWI was releasing a new bullpup shotgun and I saw it.  8)
I emailed Bellini, hoping the order wasn't processed and told them to cancel my order and now March can't get here soon enough.

A personal taste thing... because of the lines of the shotgun I'm thinking a Vortex UH-1 would be fantastic on it and will probably order that soon.

I had no idea the TS-12 was coming out and as much as I loved my KSG I just couldn't depend on it. I'll wait for all the reviews to come out on the TS-12 and then decide if I will go IWI or Benelli but right now I want the TS-12 yesterday.







Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: commoncents on January 30, 2018, 02:22:35 AM
wow, surprise surprise!  dang, i might have to sell my KSG too!   I'll have to weigh pros/cons but the tavor at least on paper looks pretty dang good.


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: ammomans on January 30, 2018, 08:43:41 AM
wow, surprise surprise!  dang, i might have to sell my KSG too!   I'll have to weigh pros/cons but the tavor at least on paper looks pretty dang good.

Glad to hear Iím not the only one looking forward to it!!

My main complaint with the KSG was loading shells.  Without looking underneath it, getting the shells to line up perfectly wasnít an easy task for me.  And my finger tip would frequently get bitten by the piece of metal holding the shells in!

As for looks, I prefer the look of the KSG, and itís smaller.  But the ease of loading it has me sold!

I have a UH-1 on my trunk gun, so Iíll have to give it a try.  I also have the Meprolight 21 that they used on the range in all the videos, so Iíll try that one too.

Super excited!!!  (Just hope it all works great so I donít regret selling my KSG!)


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on January 31, 2018, 10:24:58 AM
Now that Shot is over and the Cat's out of the bag how long will it be before the channels start testing this? I hope to see reviews at least a Month before they hit the market, so maybe something on the next 30 days would be nice.  8)


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on February 01, 2018, 10:30:01 AM
https://youtu.be/0xkM1dSHzeU (https://youtu.be/0xkM1dSHzeU)
At 3:05 he says "You can ghost load it like a Binelli to get 17 rounds in the weapon at one time."

And u can load it 2 shells at a time.
Sweet!


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: ammomans on February 01, 2018, 06:42:51 PM
Looks aside, I am liking this thing more and more!

Hardest thing is going to be waiting after it has been out a month or two before picking one up.  I'd prefer to let others do the initial testing before pulling the trigger. (pun intended! :))


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: rjhyland on February 03, 2018, 12:38:42 PM
I found it listed at Oaklandtactical for $1,149.00

https://oaklandtactical.com/index.php/iwi-tavor-ts12-12ga-18-5-15rd-blk-210000021281.html (https://oaklandtactical.com/index.php/iwi-tavor-ts12-12ga-18-5-15rd-blk-210000021281.html)

and at Centerfireguns for $1.249.00

http://www.centerfireguns.com/iwi-us-tavor-ts12-12ga-18-5-15r-blk-tsb12b.html (http://www.centerfireguns.com/iwi-us-tavor-ts12-12ga-18-5-15r-blk-tsb12b.html)

Not sure if these prices are firm but gives me a ball park on what to expect.








Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: thehun on February 11, 2018, 09:09:43 AM
I need to handle this...might have to trade my Benelli M4 for one...maybe...


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: ammomans on February 11, 2018, 05:12:19 PM
I need to handle this...might have to trade my Benelli M4 for one...maybe...

Thatís a hard one...  the M4 is a proven platform whereas the TS-12 is completely new.  Selling my KSG for this was an easy choice, but an M4?  Thatís a harder one...


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: g36kinnc on February 11, 2018, 08:06:40 PM
15 rnds??? If I have to give up grpound after that?? I am going back for the flamethrower or call in an Airstrike !!
I 'm NOT sure what people think they are getting into in their Fantasy combat minds.

Anyone still wanting to engage me after that sort of firepower is full -on insane/drugged and if they are they are NOT thinking tactically and I would have wasted quickly him and his Zombie brethern.

If you don't have time to add some more after 15 rnds of OO or No.4 shot  then The 8th Mongolian Herd has already has your ass and tell St. Peter what happened and you did your damned best!!


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: ammomans on February 11, 2018, 11:48:46 PM
15 rnds??? ....  I'm NOT sure what people think they are getting into in their Fantasy combat minds.

In my mind, as long as it isnít too hard to carry around, you can never have enough!  Thatís why I have 30 round mags for my AR-15, 20 round mags for my AR-10, and 15 round mags for my Glock 10mm.

More rounds = more fun!

When shooting my KSG (14 rnd), never ONCE did I think - ďMan, I wish this held fewer roundsĒ ;)


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: Practicool on February 12, 2018, 05:13:26 PM
In my mind, as long as it isnít too hard to carry around, you can never have enough!  Thatís why I have 30 round mags for my AR-15, 20 round mags for my AR-10, and 15 round mags for my Glock 10mm.

More rounds = more fun!

When shooting my KSG (14 rnd), never ONCE did I think - ďMan, I wish this held fewer roundsĒ ;)

Spoken truly like someone named "Ammomans"!   :)


Title: Re: leaked TS-12 by IWI
Post by: thehun on February 13, 2018, 12:20:14 PM
I need to handle this...might have to trade my Benelli M4 for one...maybe...

Thatís a hard one...  the M4 is a proven platform whereas the TS-12 is completely new.  Selling my KSG for this was an easy choice, but an M4?  Thatís a harder one...

I know...but if the reports are solid after a year...maybe would be a wise choice...biggest thing is my Benelli M4 is fully kitted out.