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Title: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 17, 2017, 05:29:25 AM
So, I'm stuck on the fence between two opposites right now. As the title may imply, I'm looking into either picking up an AUG or an RDB. I'm an absolute sucker for simple innovation, and the Kel-Tec fits that ideal. Yet, I have a hard time convincing myself on settling on one due to the chance of landing a lemon. I know Kel-Tec's been improving, but I want to pick one rifle and really don't want to deal with having to get it fixed up not long after getting one.

Conversely, I do love the feel of an AUG, and I know that I'm getting a solid rifle straight from the get go. Plus, I love the integrated optic set up. I have no issues with heavy triggers, and actually prefer them due to having tremors that make light triggers rather twitchy for me.

I'm not a lefty and I doubt I'd ever shoot from my weak shoulder so ambidextrous operation isn't extremely important to me. Ultimately, this is me asking you guys what you would prefer to pick up, or if you have one or even both of them, some of your personal points that set it above the other option.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: paulky_2000 on September 17, 2017, 07:50:26 AM
I vote RDB because I've never really liked the AUGs.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: kfeltenberger on September 17, 2017, 01:45:13 PM
What is your intended goal or ultimate "mission" for the rifle?  If you're looking for a range toy and perhaps a "bump in the night" gun and nothing more, the RDB will meet the criteria.  On the other paw, if you're looking for something to carry you through a crisis situation like the two recent hurricanes, some other extended natural disaster, or other extended without rule of law situation, then the AUG wins hands down.  It isn't that the RDB *couldn't* do it, it's just that the AUG has a better track record, has been continually improved, parts are readily available from the manufacturer, and it's been carried in Harm's Way since 1977. 

In short, the AUG offers proven reliability and more importantly, peace of mind that the RDB just can't match.

The AUG is extremely robust, you don't have little bits and bobs on the stock or grip that you have to worry about potentially breaking off as you do with the RDB, and overall the rifle feels solid where, to me at least, the RDB feels much less solid.

In the end, don't buy on emotion, buy analytically.  Bullet point the plusses and minuses of each and compare them.  Then, buy the best one that works for you.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 17, 2017, 01:52:12 PM
What is your intended goal or ultimate "mission" for the rifle?  If you're looking for a range toy and perhaps a "bump in the night" gun and nothing more, the RDB will meet the criteria.  On the other paw, if you're looking for something to carry you through a crisis situation like the two recent hurricanes, some other extended natural disaster, or other extended without rule of law situation, then the AUG wins hands down.  It isn't that the RDB *couldn't* do it, it's just that the AUG has a better track record, has been continually improved, parts are readily available from the manufacturer, and it's been carried in Harm's Way since 1977.  

In short, the AUG offers proven reliability and more importantly, peace of mind that the RDB just can't match.

The AUG is extremely robust, you don't have little bits and bobs on the stock or grip that you have to worry about potentially breaking off as you do with the RDB, and overall the rifle feels solid where, to me at least, the RDB feels much less solid.

In the end, don't buy on emotion, buy analytically.  Bullet point the plusses and minuses of each and compare them.  Then, buy the best one that works for you.
What I am looking to do with the rifle is pretty much an all around rifle. Range toy, and in the extreme off chance something goes down here (Won't be dealing with a hurricane in this AZ heat). I just don't put enough stock in a SHTF/WROL situation to buy purely on reliability alone. Just thinking on it more pushes me to the AUG though.

I guess the next big issue is figuring out what color AUG to rock .


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: BullpupT on September 17, 2017, 02:15:35 PM
Go with the AUG. It has proven itself in the field under adverse conditions since the late 1970's. It's light and accurate with a known track record. There are upgrades that can be made to the trigger and aftermarket support is higher.

The RDB is both light and accurate, but the chamber is hard to access and the quality of the components can be questioned. The barrel is no where near the AUG in terms of quality and longevity. The RBD uses a simple and cheap to produce 4140 steel barrel. The AUGs barrel is cold hammer forged and much longer lasting. Keltec could switch to 4150 steel at a slightly higher cost and increase life and toughness even without cold hammer forging, although a cold hammer forged barrel would still be superior.

Go with the AUG all the way. Take a look at Keltec quality control complaints over the decades. Check out their return for repair rate. Check out the customer complaints as well. The internet is a wonderful thing... the truth is out there. ;D ;)


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 17, 2017, 02:25:04 PM
Go with the AUG. It has proven itself in the field under adverse conditions since the late 1970's. It's light and accurate with a known track record. There are upgrades that can be made to the trigger and aftermarket support is higher.

The RDB is both light and accurate, but the chamber is hard to access and the quality of the components can be questioned. The barrel is no where near the AUG in terms of quality and longevity. The RBD uses a simple and cheap to produce 4140 steel barrel. The AUGs barrel is cold hammer forged and much longer lasting. Keltec could switch to 4150 steel at a slightly higher cost and increase life and toughness even without cold hammer forging, although a cold hammer forged barrel would still be superior.

Go with the AUG all the way. Take a look at Keltec quality control complaints over the decades. Check out their return for repair rate. Check out the customer complaints as well. The internet is a wonderful thing... the truth is out there. ;D ;)

Funnily enough, I've taken the Kel-Tec gamble before and came out with a solid KSG that hasn't given me issues in the slightest. It's the reason why I'd be willing to run that gamble again, and I can appreciate Kel-Tec for what they are. Innovative but not the most refined firearms available.
That said, I will likely pick the Steyr. I am a compulsive over-thinker, and this is a situation where I would need to cut out as much thinking as possible.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Hivedr. on September 17, 2017, 03:03:51 PM
So, I'm stuck on the fence between two opposites right now. As the title may imply, I'm looking into either picking up an AUG or an RDB. I'm an absolute sucker for simple innovation, and the Kel-Tec fits that ideal. Yet, I have a hard time convincing myself on settling on one due to the chance of landing a lemon. I know Kel-Tec's been improving, but I want to pick one rifle and really don't want to deal with having to get it fixed up not long after getting one.

Conversely, I do love the feel of an AUG, and I know that I'm getting a solid rifle straight from the get go. Plus, I love the integrated optic set up. I have no issues with heavy triggers, and actually prefer them due to having tremors that make light triggers rather twitchy for me.

I'm not a lefty and I doubt I'd ever shoot from my weak shoulder so ambidextrous operation isn't
extremely important to me. Ultimately, this is me asking you guys what you would prefer to pick up, or if you have one or even both of them, some of your personal points that set it above the other option.

Big price difference between these two for a reason.

The quality in materials and fit / finish all go to the AUG. The AUG will last well into the 10s of thousands
or rounds without parts replacements, the RDB? For this the AUG wins the "one rifle" situation over the RDB.

On looks the AUG is old but still has clean lines, the RDB has a more modern "industrial" tough look. So for me the RDB wins on looks.

So for looks the RDB, for a fighting rifle the AUG.

My .02

    


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 17, 2017, 03:12:48 PM

On looks the AUG is old but still has clean lines, the RDB has a more modern "industrial" tough look. So for me the RDB wins on looks.
     

I gotta say, the only time I thought the RDB had better aesthetics is when it has the Raptor Rail. Other than that, the flow of the AUG's design just beats the rather clunky looking forend.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: ttarp on September 17, 2017, 04:20:43 PM
I'd go with an AUG, but thats because I had to have one ever since Die Hard.

If I could look at it more objectively, I'd be sorely tempted by the Kel-Tec, its hard to argue against the price  Even if the quality of build isn't anywhere near Steyr standards, you aren't looking to arm a small(or large) country, and like you, I appreciate Kel-Tec's "innovative" designs, granted some aren't executed as well as they could be.

I really do like the modularity of the AUG though...

I think the right answer in these situations is both, the question: which first.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Frostburg on September 18, 2017, 12:23:39 AM
I've owned both.

While I love the RDB and believe it has more real world potential than any other tactical 5.56 rifle on the market today, if you are intending this rifle for "serious" use. I would go with the AUG.  AUGs are solid rifles that can handle "hell and back" wartime conditions. They are some tough rifles.

Outside of such severe conditions, the RDB wins out on every metric. It's MUCH lighter, faster to get on target, better balanced, faster controls/reloads, field strips easier (imo), has just as much access to the chamber as the AUG, better trigger, but long enough pull to not be a major issue with a tremor. Overall, it just handles better than the AUG.  If you don't get a lemon, you should be fine. The RDB is actually a fairly reliable rifle, provided you don't have a lemon, and if that's the case. You should know within 200 rounds.
Keltec has an unlimited lifetime warranty for original owners. So if you buy one, you can shoot then hell out of it to try to make something break, and get it serviced if needed.

I sold my AUG because I hated the way you have to reposition your support hand to drop a magazine. I'm just more comfortable releasing the magazine with my trigger hand, still on the pistol grip.

For you needs (more casual, but also need to rely upon it for your life), I would be comfortable with an RDB, provided you test it with some endurance shooting first to make sure that it's gtg.  

My RDB had some issues with the extractor pin falling out. It was a known issue, and Keltec redesigned the bolt in order to fix it. When I got it back with the new bolt, I put 250 rounds through it rapid-fire without stopping to let it cool. The rifle got very hot, but still ran like a champ.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 18, 2017, 02:46:04 AM
I highly doubt I'll ever really need it for any serious use, and some more reading keeps pushing me to jump for the RDB. Plus, the price difference would really allow me to get things I'd like for the RDB, while the AUG would be pretty much set up from the get go.

Just wish I didn't have an astigmatism cause I'd love to get a C-More railway for it





Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Frostburg on September 18, 2017, 11:15:44 AM
Yeah, there have been numerous people who's RDBs have run perfect. It is a reliable rifle overall. Based on what you're describing I would say go ahead and get the RDB. The AUG has AK level durability and reliability. You can haul it under water in the atlantic ocean and be confident that it will run, but for your uses, it isn't necessary. The RDB simply handles better in every way. If
you lived anywhere near Western MD, I would be happy to let you handle mine just so you could familiarize yourself with it before you get it, but honestly most people who have bought one have loved them.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: RabbitSlayer on September 18, 2017, 12:41:13 PM
Aug > RDB
Tavor > RDB

Even my target rifles have no leeway, it has to function 100% or I don't keep it.  For the price of an RDB you could build a killer match grade AR in any configuration that will be easier to work on and make function reliably.  I'm not even that fond of direct impingment, but it's so easy to build an AR however you want and utterly reliable that it's foolish to overlook. 
The RDB has great ideas, absolutely, but it executed them poorly which isn't to be surprised because keltec.


Personally I prefer the TavorX95 over the Aug by a pretty large margin.  However the Aug is a great weapon, and in my opinion the RDB is not even near the same league as Aug.   Comparing the Rdb to an Aug is like comparing a Delton to a Colt, or a Ras47 to an Arsenal.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 18, 2017, 01:55:51 PM
Yeah, there have been numerous people who's RDBs have run perfect. It is a reliable rifle overall. Based on what you're describing I would say go ahead and get the RDB. The AUG has AK level durability and reliability. You can haul it under water in the atlantic ocean and be confident that it will run, but for your uses, it isn't necessary. The RDB simply handles better in every way. If
you lived anywhere near Western MD, I would be happy to let you handle mine just so you could familiarize yourself with it before you get it, but honestly most people who have bought one have loved them.
Wish I could take you up on that, but I'm in AZ. I've gotten to handle an RDB, and did find it very comfy. Just didn't care for the handguard, which would be solved by getting that Raptor rail.

Aug > RDB
Tavor > RDB

Even my target rifles have no leeway, it has to function 100% or I don't keep it.  For the price of an RDB you could build a killer match grade AR in any configuration that will be easier to work on and make function reliably.  I'm not even that fond of direct impingment, but it's so easy to build an AR however you want and utterly reliable that it's foolish to overlook. 
The RDB has great ideas, absolutely, but it executed them poorly which isn't to be surprised because keltec.


Personally I prefer the TavorX95 over the Aug by a pretty large margin.  However the Aug is a great weapon, and in my opinion the RDB is not even near the same league as Aug.   Comparing the Rdb to an Aug is like comparing a Delton to a Colt, or a Ras47 to an Arsenal.

I've used ARs, but I just don't care for them. Sure, they are cheap and easy to build however I'd want, but they aren't my cup of tea. I've just spent most of my time behind a bullpup, and I'd like to keep to what I'm used to.

The Tavor and X-95 do nothing for me. I think the only thing I like on them over the AUG is the mag release, but that is a training issue that I haven't been able to put some time into on the AUG. The Tavor that I had a chance to use was functional, but the trigger was mushy and heavier than the AUG triggers I've been able to mess with. I'm not willing to spend several hundred dollars to pick up a better trigger pack.
Plus, I would prefer having a adjustable gas system, which is a big point that I stress in semi-auto rifles.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: RabbitSlayer on September 18, 2017, 02:09:17 PM
Stock Tavor X95 trigger > Aug trigger

Tavor X95 300blk has an adjustable gas block.

I don't knock you for wanting an Aug though.  Great guns.  Definetly grab an Aug over an Rdb.



In regards to Aug vs Tavor, I think they are equally reliable and such.. Just user preference.  RDB is not in the same league as Tavor or Aug.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 18, 2017, 02:14:20 PM
Stock Tavor X95 trigger > Aug trigger

Tavor X95 300blk has an adjustable gas block.

I don't knock you for wanting an Aug though.  Great guns.  Definetly grab an Aug over an Rdb.



In regards to Aug vs Tavor, I think they are equally reliable and such.. Just user preference.  RDB is not in the same league as Tavor or Aug.
Sometimes I wish I could make a decision on one simple thing like that. The X-95 just isn't to my tastes. It felt cheaper than an RDB, which felt better besides the handguard. I'm also not a trigger snob, I can learn to work with whatever trigger I get, if the firearm itself is worth the effort to me.
I'm not really looking into .300 Blackout, which nullifies that for me.
Ultimately, I'm not an operator, and I have no plans to go into any combat scenario. I'm sure I could come to accept the RDB as reliable if I pick one up, I've had good experience with Kel-Tecs so far.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: RabbitSlayer on September 18, 2017, 02:17:47 PM
Stock Tavor X95 trigger > Aug trigger

Tavor X95 300blk has an adjustable gas block.

I don't knock you for wanting an Aug though.  Great guns.  Definetly grab an Aug over an Rdb.



In regards to Aug vs Tavor, I think they are equally reliable and such.. Just user preference.  RDB is not in the same league as Tavor or Aug.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Frostburg on September 18, 2017, 02:45:19 PM
Based on what you're describing, I would say the RDB is perfect for you. It handles great and seems to be Keltec's best executed product thus far. I would disagree with the statement that the RDB has been executed poorly. They have had some teething issues, and parts updates have been made, but overall, the RDB is proving a successful design.  Like I said, the AUG is a serious real deal rifle that is built like a tank and can standup to pretty much anything on the planet, but that is unrealistic for nearly any civilian or even standard LEOs. AR15s don't even approach the durability of an AUG. But you are paying a premium for durability that you will likely never need, unless you are conducting deep underwater incursions from the ocean into enemy territory, and all for inferior handling and controls when compared to the RDB. Aftermarket rails are soon becoming available for the RDB and I have a Raptor rail for mine. If you like the Tavor magazine release, you will like the RDB magazine release. I even find it better because I have skinny hands.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 18, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
This whole discussion makes me wish Steyr and Kel-Tec could work together to make a premium RDB. Granted, it would be more expensive, but Kel-Tec's innovation with Steyr's quality and reputation behind it would be a killer combo. Add in a slightly more adjustable AUG gas regulator, and a model of it that uses the AUG mags, I'd be a happy camper.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Frostburg on September 18, 2017, 03:42:06 PM
Lol, I have argued this very point. I agree completely.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 18, 2017, 03:53:33 PM
I know some people would argue against AUG mags just because the AR mags are more prolific here, but they are just awesome looking and still extremely functional.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 20, 2017, 03:33:41 AM
So, with some time to think it over, I'll be going with the AUG. I do love the RDB, but like how I treated the KSG, I'm gonna wait a few years to really let the design settle into itself. Plus, I'd rather throw as much faith into the design as possible.

Since I'll be going with the 3x optic, there really won't be much that I'll have to get. At most, I'd probably get a replacement charging handle, a weapon light, and I'd have to figure out whether I'll pick up OD or Mud.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Snapperhead363 on September 20, 2017, 04:11:53 AM
There's nothing wrong with an AUG. Like you said, If you like the mags (and I do) roll with it.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 20, 2017, 05:57:21 PM
Would anyone happen to know what the disassembled length of the AUG body is? I'll be picking up the 16" barreled model, and I think I'll be picking up a backpack for transporting it around.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: kfeltenberger on September 20, 2017, 09:01:54 PM
So, with some time to think it over, I'll be going with the AUG. I do love the RDB, but like how I treated the KSG, I'm gonna wait a few years to really let the design settle into itself. Plus, I'd rather throw as much faith into the design as possible.

Since I'll be going with the 3x optic, there really won't be much that I'll have to get. At most, I'd probably get a replacement charging handle, a weapon light, and I'd have to figure out whether I'll pick up OD or Mud.

Since you want an optic, I would suggest not going with the Steyr optic; it is good, but it is really a 1970s concept with twice the magnification of the original, and lacks many of the features that are common on optics today.  The charging handle is more personal preference; I never had a problem with the stock one that came on my AUGs.  Finally, if you want to use AR mags, you have two options:  A Steyr NATO stock, which Steyr treats as sort of a forgotten child as it hasn't been changed since it was first designed, and the MSAR "E4" stock.  The E4 stock comes in two styles, early and late, and both have their plusses and minues. 

Early stocks are generally finished with the mold/joining lines ground off like the Steyr stocks offer, i.e. the way it is supposed to be done.  The drawback is that they have mounting points for 1913 rail sections and the helicoils that are embedded into the polymer have been known to work their way out or simply strip out completely.  The late version of the stock was produced for a year or two before MSAR finally took the dirt nap it deserved.  The minus of this is that they never ground off the mold/joining lines where the two halves of the stock were joined together.  When I questioned them about this, they claimed that the consumers "wanted it that way".  Odd...how could they want something that was never offered and that most never knew existed?  The big plus, though, is that the used a different method for securing 1913 rail to the stock and used bushings that were part of a backplate that was secured to the inside of the stock.  Rock solid. 

Both stocks offered last round bolt hold open with bolt release, and used the AUG pattern mag release.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 20, 2017, 10:59:12 PM
So, with some time to think it over, I'll be going with the AUG. I do love the RDB, but like how I treated the KSG, I'm gonna wait a few years to really let the design settle into itself. Plus, I'd rather throw as much faith into the design as possible.

Since I'll be going with the 3x optic, there really won't be much that I'll have to get. At most, I'd probably get a replacement charging handle, a weapon light, and I'd have to figure out whether I'll pick up OD or Mud.

Since you want an optic, I would suggest not going with the Steyr optic; it is good, but it is really a 1970s concept with twice the magnification of the original, and lacks many of the features that are common on optics today.  The charging handle is more personal preference; I never had a problem with the stock one that came on my AUGs.  Finally, if you want to use AR mags, you have two options:  A Steyr NATO stock, which Steyr treats as sort of a forgotten child as it hasn't been changed since it was first designed, and the MSAR "E4" stock.  The E4 stock comes in two styles, early and late, and both have their plusses and minues. 

Early stocks are generally finished with the mold/joining lines ground off like the Steyr stocks offer, i.e. the way it is supposed to be done.  The drawback is that they have mounting points for 1913 rail sections and the helicoils that are embedded into the polymer have been known to work their way out or simply strip out completely.  The late version of the stock was produced for a year or two before MSAR finally took the dirt nap it deserved.  The minus of this is that they never ground off the mold/joining lines where the two halves of the stock were joined together.  When I questioned them about this, they claimed that the consumers "wanted it that way".  Odd...how could they want something that was never offered and that most never knew existed?  The big plus, though, is that the used a different method for securing 1913 rail to the stock and used bushings that were part of a backplate that was secured to the inside of the stock.  Rock solid. 

Both stocks offered last round bolt hold open with bolt release, and used the AUG pattern mag release.

I'll be using the AUG mags, I have no investment in AR pattern mags so it boils down to what I'd prefer to use.

I do understand in regards to the optic, but at this point in time, I'm not worried about it. I'm sure I'll wind up replacing it in the long run, but I would like to have one of the integrated optics for now.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: kfeltenberger on September 20, 2017, 11:30:35 PM
I'll be using the AUG mags, I have no investment in AR pattern mags so it boils down to what I'd prefer to use.

I do understand in regards to the optic, but at this point in time, I'm not worried about it. I'm sure I'll wind up replacing it in the long run, but I would like to have one of the integrated optics for now.

Outstanding choice on the AUG mags.  IMO, they are hands down far superior to anything the AR platform offers.

The integrated optic on the AUG is something that, IIRC, bolts directly to the receiver, it isn't like an AR with a 1913 rail that it attaches to, so there is that additional cost/hassle to consider.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 20, 2017, 11:36:51 PM
I'm aware about swapping out the integrated optic for the rail. I don't make a habit of swapping optics, and a replacement scope will be well into the future.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: scstrain on September 21, 2017, 03:16:14 PM
I think the AUG is the correct choice.  I own both and I really do like the RDB and it's unique features.  However, when you strip both down you will see that the AUG is made like a tank while the RDB's parts seem made for less serious encounters.  I realize that this is part of what makes the RDB lighter, (A good Thing) and I love the bottom ejection but to me the internal parts do not look robust at all.

Please, I am not trashing the RDB.  I really like it, but if I could only have one or the other it would be the AUG hands down.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 21, 2017, 05:03:07 PM
I think the AUG is the correct choice.  I own both and I really do like the RDB and it's unique features.  However, when you strip both down you will see that the AUG is made like a tank while the RDB's parts seem made for less serious encounters.  I realize that this is part of what makes the RDB lighter, (A good Thing) and I love the bottom ejection but to me the internal parts do not look robust at all.

Please, I am not trashing the RDB.  I really like it, but if I could only have one or the other it would be the AUG hands down.

Yeah, that's what my sentiment has come down to on this. I'd still love to see a collaboration in regards to a Steyr made RDB that used the AUG mags to get the best of both designs.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: 7n6 on September 22, 2017, 12:40:27 AM


I'll be using the AUG mags, I have no investment in AR pattern mags so it boils down to what I'd prefer to use.

I do understand in regards to the optic, but at this point in time, I'm not worried about it. I'm sure I'll wind up replacing it in the long run, but I would like to have one of the integrated optics for now.


I have both pattern of the stocks, standard and NATO for each rifle. I like the standard more because of the bolt release. However they are all currently wearing NATO stocks only because I have AR's. All of mine also have the factory optics, which I don't mind owning as they are much like iron sights- basically very tough optics without need for batteries and such. I can mount some red dot style sights on top if needed but so far I haven't done so due to other priorities. 


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 22, 2017, 01:33:10 AM
Yeah, I sorta want keep it simplistic when it comes to how I outfit this rifle, so the integrated scope fits the bill extremely well.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: 7n6 on September 22, 2017, 02:58:48 PM
Yeah, I sorta want keep it simplistic when it comes to how I outfit this rifle, so the integrated scope fits the bill extremely well.


You mentioned you don't have any AR mags- what are using as a carbine then?



Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 22, 2017, 03:07:47 PM
Yeah, I sorta want keep it simplistic when it comes to how I outfit this rifle, so the integrated scope fits the bill extremely well.


You mentioned you don't have any AR mags- what are using as a carbine then?


Nothing at this moment. I've tried to step away from bullpups, but I just find the more traditional carbine profile rather uncomfortable. Nothing some serious time behind one can't fix, but I am more comfortable with bullpups.

I do have a single AR mag though, but it's an unused Daniel Defense mag I got for free at my LGS.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 27, 2017, 06:06:53 AM
Quick question to anyone that has the integrated AUG scope and wears corrective lenses, does the scope cause any issues with the sight picture? I've noticed that some people bring up that there isn't a focus on the scope, and some people have issues using them.

Just asking cause I'm visually impaired as well.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: RabbitSlayer on September 27, 2017, 04:17:22 PM
Quick question to anyone that has the integrated AUG scope and wears corrective lenses, does the scope cause any issues with the sight picture? I've noticed that some people bring up that there isn't a focus on the scope, and some people have issues using them.

Just asking cause I'm visually impaired as well.

In my opinion, you should get a railed version and slap something like a Trijicon accupower 1-4x   optic on it, the optical quality will be much much better.
FWIW, I wear glasses, and red dots look fuzzy for me unless it is sunny outside.  Variable powder scopes are all I rock now and I could not be happier.  1-4 scopes for the mo fkin win!


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 27, 2017, 04:22:46 PM

In my opinion, you should get a railed version and slap something like a Trijicon accupower 1-4x   optic on it, the optical quality will be much much better.
FWIW, I wear glasses, and red dots look fuzzy for me unless it is sunny outside.  Variable powder scopes are all I rock now and I could not be happier.  1-4 scopes for the mo fkin win!

I do like the AccuPower, but I love the integrated optic set up. It's one of the many reasons I want an AUG.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: RabbitSlayer on September 27, 2017, 04:46:46 PM

In my opinion, you should get a railed version and slap something like a Trijicon accupower 1-4x   optic on it, the optical quality will be much much better.
FWIW, I wear glasses, and red dots look fuzzy for me unless it is sunny outside.  Variable powder scopes are all I rock now and I could not be happier.  1-4 scopes for the mo fkin win!

I do like the AccuPower, but I love the integrated optic set up. It's one of the many reasons I want an AUG.

Are you trying to get the donut reticle?


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 27, 2017, 04:58:09 PM
Are you trying to get the donut reticle?

It's one thing I like about the Steyr optic, but it isn't the reason I'm wanting one. Why do you ask?


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: RabbitSlayer on September 27, 2017, 05:49:47 PM
Are you trying to get the donut reticle?

It's one thing I like about the Steyr optic, but it isn't the reason I'm wanting one. Why do you ask?

Well you mentioned you wanted to do a lot of target shooting if I recall correctly, if that is the case I personally don't know that the donut reticle would give you the type of accuracy you are looking for, but I could be mistaken.  If I recall correctly I think it is like a 8moa circle or something like that designed to encirlce a man sized target at 250 yards or so.  I don't know much about it so others please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 27, 2017, 06:03:19 PM
Most of my time behind the rifle will be at the range, but I won't be looking to push the rifle to be as accurate as possible. I tend to go out shooting just because I like to.

Plus I'm likely gonna get the 3x, so if I need a bit of precision the inner crosshair is available.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: RabbitSlayer on September 27, 2017, 06:28:36 PM
Right on man, you better post pics when you buy it!
All this Aug talk is making me want to buy one now lol.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: Clarke-Sensei on September 28, 2017, 12:43:52 AM
Sadly, I won't be picking it up any time soon. I gotta replace my computer before I can set aside the funds for the AUG, and I really don't want to sell any of my current guns to try and expedite the process.

I ask all of these questions because I am a compulsive researcher when it comes to stuff I want. I'll do research for years before I pick whatever it is that I want, just to make sure I don't have any regrets.

Maybe I'll get lucky on one of the dozens of gun giveaways I enter and can sell whatever I get.


Title: Re: Tried and true versus new and innovative. AUG vs. RDB
Post by: corbini157 on October 07, 2017, 01:28:29 AM
You're obviously getting a more premier gunmaker going with Steyr, so to me it really depends on the money you're looking to spend.  When I bought my steyr I did $450 in upgrades to it before I was happy with it.  I had to add a brass deflector, new rail, new charging handle, and upgraded mag release.  That brought the gun up to $2500 dollars.

Is there any KelTec out there I would swap it for?  No. 

Could I have probably built a better KelTec for the original 2K I spent on the steyr.  Possibly.