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Bullpup Rifles (Auto & Semi-Auto Centerfire) => IWI Tavor & X-95 => Topic started by: jggtn on August 11, 2017, 04:14:23 PM



Title: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: jggtn on August 11, 2017, 04:14:23 PM
Who, if anyone, is making aftermarket (preferably accurized, match grade) barrels for the X95?


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: RabbitSlayer on August 11, 2017, 04:26:06 PM
'' Match grade ''

So you would rather have a non chrome lined, stainless steel barrel that will burn out after a few thousand rounds so you can Turn this bullpup into a bench gun.. Rather than have a cold hammer forged chrome lined barrel that will last tens of thousands of rounds?

I shoot 1-2MOA with my Tavor using handloads, and honestly I think that is more than accurate enough.  Especially considering my ''Match grade'' AR15 isn't much more accurate than my Tavor.

 :2cents


Title: Re: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: Tvfreakarms on August 11, 2017, 04:29:03 PM
'' Match grade ''

So you would rather have a non chrome lined, stainless steel barrel that will burn out after a few thousand rounds so you can Turn this bullpup into a bench gun.. Rather than have a cold hammer forged chrome lined barrel that will last tens of thousands of rounds?

I shoot 1-2MOA with my Tavor using handloads, and honestly I think that is more than accurate enough.  Especially considering my ''Match grade'' AR15 isn't much more accurate than my Tavor.

 :2cents
How about a nitrite finished barrel.
As for an aftermarket barrel,  it will depend on the cost.
I think the cost is going to be too high for most.

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Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: silentrunning on August 11, 2017, 04:34:20 PM
Who, if anyone, is making aftermarket (preferably accurized, match grade) barrels for the X95?

The problem is getting or making the a new barrel nut....

Once you have that the barrel is easy to make.

My old barrel has over 3,000 rounds through it. I took the barrel nut off with the help of map gas.

However, I always like to put a new barrel nut on a new barrel.
I never used the old barrel nut on any of my AR15 service rifle when replacing the barrel.


Title: Re: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: Tvfreakarms on August 11, 2017, 04:40:33 PM
Who, if anyone, is making aftermarket (preferably accurized, match grade) barrels for the X95?

The problem is getting or making the a new barrel nut....

Once you have that the barrel is easy to make.

My old barrel has over 3,000 rounds through it. I took the barrel nut off with the help of map gas.

However, I always like to put a new barrel nut on a new barrel.
I never used the old barrel nut on any of my AR15 service rifle when replacing the barrel.
Do u need a barrel nut for the tavor/x95?
Isn't it already built into the rifle?

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Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: RabbitSlayer on August 11, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
'' Match grade ''

So you would rather have a non chrome lined, stainless steel barrel that will burn out after a few thousand rounds so you can Turn this bullpup into a bench gun.. Rather than have a cold hammer forged chrome lined barrel that will last tens of thousands of rounds?

I shoot 1-2MOA with my Tavor using handloads, and honestly I think that is more than accurate enough.  Especially considering my ''Match grade'' AR15 isn't much more accurate than my Tavor.

 :2cents
How about a nitrite finished barrel.
As for an aftermarket barrel,  it will depend on the cost.
I think the cost is going to be too high for most.

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I used to ride the nitride fan train, and it is decent; although I consider chrome superior in the long run.  Why?  My experience has never indicated that Nitride is notably more accurate than chrome.
Regardless of all of that, if someone wants an actual match grade barrel, it will have to by design basically be unlined stainless steel.  Which would mean a very meager barrel life.


Not to mention, these are the kind of groups my Tavor gets with Wolf gold.  Couldn't ask for more from a Battle weapon of any kind in my opinion.  Rack grade AR15's, AK's, HK's, etc, are not '' match grade weapons.   My Nitride AR with 5R rifling barely shoots MOA, sure maybe sub MOA sometimes, but not consistently, and my Tavor does the same thing.


Here is a 5 shot group of Wolf gold from my Tavor X95, (one of the first X95's to hit the market that supposedly had accuracy issues according to barfcom).  This was shot with a red dot, I just got a magnified scope for the Tavor, so we will see in upcoming weeks if I can get better groups, but even if I don't I am more than happy with this kind of accuracy.

(https://s27.postimg.org/b9d09s69f/1234.jpg)


Just seems silly to me to get rid of one of the best type makes of barrels to try and shoot smaller groups from a combat weapon.


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: silentrunning on August 11, 2017, 04:43:32 PM
Could be more about saving money.


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: RabbitSlayer on August 11, 2017, 04:48:54 PM
Could be more about saving money.

I would be all for aftermarket Tavor barrels, don't get me wrong.  I think it would be great for the market in many aspects.

At the end of the day I would be Rocking the factory Israeli Cold Hammer Forged Chrome lined barrels because they are basically the best type of combat weapon make of barrels that are mass produced.  It would be cool if aftermarket barrels dropped the cost of factory IWI barrels. :--*


FWIW, like my username suggests, I varmint hunt with my X95, and have just as much success as I do varmint hunting with my AR's.  But most varmint shots are within 300 yards anyway.


Title: Re: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: Tvfreakarms on August 11, 2017, 05:30:20 PM
'' Match grade ''

So you would rather have a non chrome lined, stainless steel barrel that will burn out after a few thousand rounds so you can Turn this bullpup into a bench gun.. Rather than have a cold hammer forged chrome lined barrel that will last tens of thousands of rounds?

I shoot 1-2MOA with my Tavor using handloads, and honestly I think that is more than accurate enough.  Especially considering my ''Match grade'' AR15 isn't much more accurate than my Tavor.

 :2cents
How about a nitrite finished barrel.
As for an aftermarket barrel,  it will depend on the cost.
I think the cost is going to be too high for most.

Sent from my ZTE A2017U using Tapatalk



I used to ride the nitride fan train, and it is decent; although I consider chrome superior in the long run.  Why?  My experience has never indicated that Nitride is notably more accurate than chrome.
Regardless of all of that, if someone wants an actual match grade barrel, it will have to by design basically be unlined stainless steel.  Which would mean a very meager barrel life.


Not to mention, these are the kind of groups my Tavor gets with Wolf gold.  Couldn't ask for more from a Battle weapon of any kind in my opinion.  Rack grade AR15's, AK's, HK's, etc, are not '' match grade weapons.   My Nitride AR with 5R rifling barely shoots MOA, sure maybe sub MOA sometimes, but not consistently, and my Tavor does the same thing.


Here is a 5 shot group of Wolf gold from my Tavor X95, (one of the first X95's to hit the market that supposedly had accuracy issues according to barfcom).  This was shot with a red dot, I just got a magnified scope for the Tavor, so we will see in upcoming weeks if I can get better groups, but even if I don't I am more than happy with this kind of accuracy.

(https://s27.postimg.org/b9d09s69f/1234.jpg)


Just seems silly to me to get rid of one of the best type makes of barrels to try and shoot smaller groups from a combat weapon.
nitrite is not adding a lining to the barrel. But it seems either is good as long it's done right

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Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: RabbitSlayer on August 11, 2017, 05:55:26 PM
I am well aware of how the nitride process works.

Some say it is better because since it's a treatment, as the barrel wears it wears evenly with nitride, compared to how chrome will pit and shear.   Yada yada, I drank the nitride koolaid a while back.

I personally did not notice any significant or notable accuracy difference between my Nitride and chrome barrels.  I have a some Nitride barrels that outshoot one chrome barrel, and a chrome barrel that outshoots other nitride barrels.

I have mixed opinions about it.  On one hand, yes Nitride will wear more evenly.  On the other hand Chrome will take longer to wear.  I still own several Nitride barrels, but at the end of the day I prefer chrome.  The thing is, most of us wont notice a difference, and by the time you ruin either barrel, one will have shot tens of thousands of rounds.

I agree though, I think either one will be fine as long as it's made right.

Back to the original point though, as far as I'm aware True match grade barrels are neither chrome lined, or nitride treated.  I'm sure there are companies that claim match grade with nitride barrels... But the thing is, all the big name barrel makers that are match grade proven have a strict selection of non treated, non chromed barrels for their Match grade line up, all of which are stainless steel.

There are some companies that Nitride stainless steel barrels, but those aren't the companies that people buy from when building a True high end match grade AR.  There are reasons that people prefer plain stainless steel for match shooting.

All of this is neither here nor there, and I wouldn't be surprised if OP is a barfcom troll.  At the end of the day, the CHF CL barrel that comes stock on the Tavor is plenty accurate for my tastes, and I'm sure more accurate than most people are capable of shooting.
I'm willing to bet the same people that call the Tavor inaccurate cant hit a tennis ball consistently with a pistol from 15 yards, but then claim the pistol is inaccurate and shoots low and left :LOL
( for those that don't know, low and left pistol shooting is because the user if jerking the pistol from anticipating recoil. )


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: Bullpup777 on August 12, 2017, 07:11:33 AM
Has any actually answered the question asked by the poster?  It is a pretty simple question - yes or no.  If yes, this is the company.  If he is a bench shooter, it is his choice.  Who cares.  He doesn't need to be called a troll, his intentins questioned, etc. Ask a simple question and get completely irrelivnet and in many cases insulting replies.  It gets old. OP ....... I do not have an answer for you.  Good luck in your search and enjoy your X95.


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: scstrain on August 12, 2017, 09:04:51 AM
I agree, it gets old. 


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: jggtn on August 12, 2017, 09:32:34 AM
Has any actually answered the question asked by the poster?  It is a pretty simple question - yes or no.  If yes, this is the company.  If he is a bench shooter, it is his choice.  Who cares.  He doesn't need to be called a troll, his intentins questioned, etc. Ask a simple question and get completely irrelivnet and in many cases insulting replies.  It gets old. OP ....... I do not have an answer for you.  Good luck in your search and enjoy your X95.

Thanks Bullpup777!

You pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Either there are aftermarket manufacturers or there aren't. The question had nothing to do with metallurgy or anecdotal stories about personal shot group. Either there are barrels being machined, lapped, and actually mic'd to precise tolerances or not. The only in-between is finding a barrel maker who'll do a special order/custom. I'll call Krieger and some of the other barrel makers over the next several days and see what they're willing to accommodate.

Cheers!


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: RabbitSlayer on August 12, 2017, 11:48:55 AM



Oh what you don't like the responses?  Then why don't you go read the hundreds of genuine responses from the dozens other of threads like this in the past few weeks.

Plenty of us are sick of barfcom trolls falsely claiming the X95 to be wildly inaccurate.  It's not just a couple threads, you fags are making dozens of threads about this subject on dozens of forums.   As well I'm hard-pressed to believe that the people who sit there saying the x95 is inaccurate even own one.

I try not to be a dick on forums, but I'm so sick of these types of threads.  The same people who say the X95 is inaccurate are the same people that claim to get 1MOA with their BCM's using M193 &M855.

As far as OP's question, it was a pretty obvious No, yet he already knew the answer before posting.


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: RabbitSlayer on August 12, 2017, 12:02:27 PM
Bullpup777
Have you even shot an X95 yet?
Or has nothing changed from the last thread, and you are basing all these opinions about the Tavor being inaccurate based solely on YouTube videos and things you read on the internet rather than actual experience?

If you haven't even shot an X95, then you shouldnt be posting  threads about it being inaccurate. 

I honestly think Bullpup777 and jggtn(OP) are the same person posting from 2 different accounts.
Same posting style, same vocabulary/grammar, same thread topics, etc.


Take a stock Colt 6920 using milspec M193 or M855 and you are going to get the same level of accuracy as one gets with the Tavor X95.  Want better accuracy, then use better ammo and better shooting techniques.


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: Bullpup777 on August 12, 2017, 12:28:00 PM
Well the Blowhard is back. What I own is none of your business.  Obviously reading comprehension isn't your strong point or you have ADD because you cannot focus or understand on the question asked and all of your posts reflect this.  Yes or no ...... get it?!?!   They have meds for your condition. 


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: RabbitSlayer on August 12, 2017, 12:34:06 PM
Well the Blowhard is back. What I own is none of your business.  Obviously reading comprehension isn't your strong point or you have ADD because you cannot focus or understand on the question asked and all of your posts reflect this.  Yes or no ...... get it?!?!   They have meds for your condition.  


Hey  here is the guy that doesn't even own an X95, but thinks he is an expert on it because he watched YouTube videos about it.

Barfcom troll confirmed !


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: jggtn on August 12, 2017, 12:37:51 PM
Oh what you don't like the responses?  Then why don't you go read the hundreds of genuine responses from the dozens other of threads like this in the past few weeks.

Plenty of us are sick of barfcom trolls falsely claiming the X95 to be wildly inaccurate.  It's not just a couple threads, you fags are making dozens of threads about this subject on dozens of forums.   As well I'm hard-pressed to believe that the people who sit there saying the x95 is inaccurate even own one.

I try not to be a dick on forums, but I'm so sick of these types of threads.  The same people who say the X95 is inaccurate are the same people that claim to get 1MOA with their BCM's using M193 &M855.

As far as OP's question, it was a pretty obvious No, yet he already knew the answer before posting.


RabbitSlayer, I don't appreciate you're hijacking the thread and running your own agenda. I won't speak for anyone else but myself when I say that your contribution to the topic is not only unproductive and hostile, it was completely unresponsive to the question posed.

I asked an extremely simple question. You not only responded with non-answers, but you've tried to turn this into an accuracy discussion. I never raised any issues about accuracy, nor do I need to do so to inquire about aftermarket barrels.

Please remove yourself from the discussion. You're unhelpful opinions are neither wanted nor appreciated. Your remarks about trolling only reflect your own reprehensible behavior. Just go away.


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: RabbitSlayer on August 12, 2017, 12:38:59 PM
Bullpup777 Doesn't even own an X95, yet he made several threads talking about it.
He also called-out and insulted the entire Forum last week; then edited his post to hide his tracks.  

Like I told you in the last thread buddy, I'm going to call out barfcom trolls every time I sniff you guys out.


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: RabbitSlayer on August 12, 2017, 12:43:04 PM
Pretty sure that..
Op and Bullpup777 are the same person posting under different accounts.

Barfcom troll confirmed, doesn't even own an X95.


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: Bullpup777 on August 12, 2017, 03:20:30 PM
RabbitSlayer ........ AKA "Elmer Fudd"

Mr. Fudd or may I call you Elmer

Did the wittle wittel bunny wabbit fwastrate you today!?!?

Try to fooooooocccccuuuusssss  Mr. Fudd.

I know it's hard but try.

Yes or no to the OPs question and if you don't know you, do yourself and all of us a favor and shut up, because the more you sound off on yet another post and make everything all about you instead of the OPs topic, the more you prove how ignorant you are.  Stop while you are behind.


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: RabbitSlayer on August 12, 2017, 05:38:14 PM




@Bullpup777
Go back to Barfcom and make fifty threads about a gun you don't even own.  Oh wait, that's right you're an expert because you watched some YouTube videos. 

Fudd?   Like someone making numerous threads with multiple accounts about trying to turn a 5.56 chambered CQB weapon into a sniper rifle?

Lol you might have edited your post in the other thread to hide your tracks, but I still think it's funny you continue to post here after you disrespected the entire forum.  You know, the thread where you falsely stated the X95 is a 4 moa gun because that's what YouTube told you, but then almost every member claimed to be getting around 2 moa, so in response you said this whole forum is full of " nothing but mentally challenged ignorant blowhards " or something along those lines.


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: jggtn on August 12, 2017, 07:24:28 PM
@Bullpup777  I've just discovered that there's an ignore list for trolls like JackRabbit (or whatever he calls himself when he's not eating Twinkies and trolling from his mom's basement.) Go to:

"Profile -> Modify Profile -> Personal Message Options -> Ignore List"

   and enter Rabbit(I'm a legend in my own mind)Slayer's handle in the window. Voilá. You won't have to endure his nonsensical ramblings any further. Doesn't help the other forum members or the thread but it will make the forums a generally more pleasant place to visit.

Fwiw,

jgg


Title: Re: X95 After Market Barrels?
Post by: Sgt_P on August 12, 2017, 11:57:12 PM
 :chin

To answer the original question, I'm not aware of any aftermarket barrels for the Tavor SAR or X95.
The barrel, gas block, and extension are pretty unique, and the market is still relatively small, so I'm not sure how long it will be before someone starts making barrels (and if/when they'd be affordable).

I'm locking this thread...