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Title: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on March 10, 2017, 04:38:53 AM
So I had asked a while back if anyone had a 3D model of the Tavor:  https://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=11094.0 (https://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=11094.0)
I ended up paying a bunch to have the gun scanned.  Let me know if you would like the file to use, but know that the dude paid most attention on the grip so the other areas might not be as great fidelity.

Here's what I came up with after many hours and iterations and one pissed off wife :D  It's not quite done as the tabs don't snap solidly in yet, but I gotta lay low for a bit with the 3D modelling lol.
Let me know what you think!



Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Sdevante on March 10, 2017, 10:12:26 AM
That is cool. So they scan the original with lasers I am assuming then convert it to a 3d printer file?


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Gear Head on March 10, 2017, 10:56:03 AM
That looks like it fit nicely


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: azklaus on March 10, 2017, 02:30:33 PM
And what absurd Cali law does this comply with?  ;D


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: maleante on March 10, 2017, 03:24:21 PM
That looks great. I thought this was going to be a kydex wrap riveted together.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: RadScorpius on March 10, 2017, 05:03:38 PM
Looks like one of those sci-fi movie rifles now.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on March 10, 2017, 08:08:55 PM
I think some of them use lasers, but the place I scanned it used a machine that used white light.  I think it was an Arctec Eva.

CA defines an assault rifle as having one or more of: flash hider, forward pistol grip, rear pistol grip, adjustable stock.  So this thing prevents the rear pistol grip hold lol

Thanks for the compliments guys!


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: monkey1911 on March 10, 2017, 09:03:13 PM
I think some of them use lasers, but the place I scanned it used a machine that used white light.  I think it was an Arctec Eva.

CA defines an assault rifle as having one or more of: flash hider, forward pistol grip, rear pistol grip, adjustable stock.  So this thing prevents the rear pistol grip hold lol

Thanks for the compliments guys!

So according to Cali law, adding a VFG to ANY rifle makes it a Assault Weapon?


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on March 10, 2017, 10:17:15 PM
If it's a flash hider, then yeah, you now have an assault rifle.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: e-money on March 10, 2017, 11:22:41 PM
What is that safety selector? Is that to satisfy another CA law?


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Mindless-Focus on March 10, 2017, 11:30:57 PM
I'm so glad I live in a super free state.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on March 11, 2017, 01:22:10 AM
Nah no funny laws for the safeties.  I just thought I'd make a thumb rest safety so that it's more comfortable to hold with the fin grip.  You can see it in the pic.  I did make 2 other safeties as well.  You can see one of the on the left side of the gun in the pics.  It was ordered as red, showed up as an orange red, but photographed as yellowish lol.

I've attached the other one.  It's also designed for the funny grip, but I guess it could be used on normal non-******ed CA guns too.



Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: azklaus on March 11, 2017, 02:06:36 AM
So because you can't wrap your thumb around it it's compliant? Clearly that makes the rifle far less dangerous  ::). Lol


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on March 11, 2017, 03:30:15 AM
Yeah, I think it's fear of the aggressive look of a pistol grip, so they defined it as being able to place the web between the thumb and index finger below the top of the trigger while in firing position.  It's really just funny logic and definitions.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: monkey1911 on March 11, 2017, 05:56:52 PM
How did you make the safety lever?


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on March 11, 2017, 08:39:42 PM
I used a caliper to take my measurements, but they're still not quite right. I used a 3d program to create the model and then sent it to shapeways.com to print it out. Gotta fiddle with the model a bit more and then print it out to test the fit again.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: monkey1911 on March 11, 2017, 09:45:25 PM
I used a caliper to take my measurements, but they're still not quite right. I used a 3d program to create the model and then sent it to shapeways.com to print it out. Gotta fiddle with the model a bit more and then print it out to test the fit again.

Well, I happen to have a 3D printer and a X95!!!  ;D If your looking for a guinea pig!


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: azklaus on March 12, 2017, 11:04:32 PM
I also have a 3d printer and a SAR ;)


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on March 12, 2017, 11:38:10 PM
I've printed the safeties on an FDM printer and the layers don't fuse well enough and the safety ends up breaking, and the locking tabs on the fin crack or break off.  I'll post the safeties and the fin up soon on Shapeways once I get the fit a little better.  I've made a bunch of iterations but it's still not quite right.


Title: Re:
Post by: Tvfreakarms on March 13, 2017, 02:24:43 PM
I'm from there. It's looks nice but it is bs we have to do this.
It's like a game with these politicians and see how far they can go and see us keep trying to comply with these rules

Sent from my ZTE A2017U using Tapatalk



Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on March 14, 2017, 04:53:39 PM
haha yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.  you should see all the crazy accessories for the ARs that help you manipulate the take down pin and mag release.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/07/06/multiple-california-compliant-magazine-release-options/
http://www.calegalmags.com/AR-15-Patriot-Mag-Release-Kit-w-Extended-Takedown-Pin_p_1629.html
https://www.armaglock.com/


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Rasputin on March 15, 2017, 10:56:42 PM
Very clever! Does not make California's laws any less ridiculous though...


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: omgbarndor on March 19, 2017, 11:31:28 PM
This looks amazing and I'd love one for my Tavor. I just made a grip wrap out of Kydex and it looks terrible.

This thing looks like it was designed to be apart of the gun.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: phantoms on March 20, 2017, 12:11:55 PM
haha yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.  you should see all the crazy accessories for the ARs that help you manipulate the take down pin and mag release.
Why do that when you can just use this
http://www.guns.com/2017/03/02/the-side-loading-ar-15-stripper-clip-because-california-video/ (http://www.guns.com/2017/03/02/the-side-loading-ar-15-stripper-clip-because-california-video/)


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: chuck762 on March 20, 2017, 02:47:36 PM
haha yeah, it's pretty ridiculous.  you should see all the crazy accessories for the ARs that help you manipulate the take down pin and mag release.
Why do that when you can just use this
http://www.guns.com/2017/03/02/the-side-loading-ar-15-stripper-clip-because-california-video/ (http://www.guns.com/2017/03/02/the-side-loading-ar-15-stripper-clip-because-california-video/)
That is great if you want to run a fixed mag on an AR to keep your pistol grip and collapsible stock.
The grip wrap turns the gun into a featureless rifle and allows you to have a detachable magazine. Fixed mag on the Tavor doesn't work so well. I even hated the bullet button on mine since i am left handed and I went with the grip wrap to go back to the standard mag release.
Yes, the laws are confusing and written by a bunch of brain dead gun hating commies. 


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on April 13, 2017, 10:46:58 PM
I've posted the items up on Shapeways for those of you who've messaged me.
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/random-thoughts?li=pb (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/random-thoughts?li=pb)
Sorry it took so long!  I had to print out one final copy to make sure it fit okay.  I apologize about the cost since it costs so much to print on Shapeways.  My profit is a dollar or two on the safeties, and a little under $9 on the fin itself.  Please let me know what you think and if you have any issues  ;D


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Rastoff on April 15, 2017, 12:40:17 AM
I had a Kydex "fin" made for mine, but yours looks better.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on April 15, 2017, 05:52:33 PM
Yeah, I was going to go the kydex route, but since we have that removable buttcap I wanted to make something that look like it's part of the gun.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: omgbarndor on May 04, 2017, 09:19:50 PM
I've posted the items up on Shapeways for those of you who've messaged me.
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/random-thoughts?li=pb (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/random-thoughts?li=pb)
Sorry it took so long!  I had to print out one final copy to make sure it fit okay.  I apologize about the cost since it costs so much to print on Shapeways.  My profit is a dollar or two on the safeties, and a little under $9 on the fin itself.  Please let me know what you think and if you have any issues  ;D

Thanks! Ordered a lefty version.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: AlexTavor on May 05, 2017, 03:31:41 PM
There is a 3D interactive model of the Tavor in "world of guns" game (less of a game then it is a reference manual for me)

Only issue is you can't unlock the Tavor right when you download the game. You need to save up 30000 points from  disassembling other firearms. Took me 2 days to unlock the Tavor, but its worth it since the 3D model is very good, you can click to hide parts and view any internals in action, activate a cut out mode, and x ray mode too.

I use a Mac and got the game for free from the app store (only for computer not iPhone/ipad) but its available online for PC also. Not sure if PC also has an app store but do know for certain there is an online browser version of the game, and its also available on Steam for PC download. Im not sure if you can save progress on the web browser version so would recommend downloading it since its free.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Chairforce26 on May 05, 2017, 03:55:44 PM
Crap like this makes be believe Congress and Trump need to remove a state's ability to regulate firearms and prohibit assault weapons bans and magazine limmits. 


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on May 05, 2017, 07:28:38 PM
Thanks omgbarndor, I sent you the paypal ;)

That game looks pretty cool!  Just the type of thing I'd spend hours goofing with... which is why I can't download it cause I have so much stuff to do these days lol

Yeah, it'd be nice for regulation to be at the federal level only, but that's not going to happen in California haha


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: AlexTavor on May 05, 2017, 08:36:20 PM
Yeah world of guns is amazing lol. I've used it for reference on my firearms when I was going beyond a field strip to a total dissasembly. Lots of my manuals leave many questions in my head of how to disassemble or reassemble intricate parts that I forgot how they came apart. It's been very helpful to understand my toys. I like being able to compare platforms, their gas systems, and fire control mechanisms. I remeber comparing my tavor to the ak-47 (which is prohibited in Canada and I would never be able to handle) and thinking how similar their operation was to eachother but in different form factors.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Rastoff on May 05, 2017, 09:47:11 PM
Crap like this makes be believe Congress and Trump need to remove a state's ability to regulate firearms and prohibit assault weapons bans and magazine limmits. 
You mean like a federal law preventing the ability of government to limit your ability to own or carry firearms? Huh, if only the founding fathers had thought of that.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: bplvr on May 07, 2017, 06:37:19 PM
Yeah, I was going to go the kydex route, but since we have that removable buttcap I wanted to make something that look like it's part of the gun.

 I don't have P/P .Can I send you a Cashiers Check for a black Leftie Tavor grip and a black Leftie safty thumb post ?
 Just reply as a message to me with your address and I'll send it out.
 Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on May 09, 2017, 12:00:06 AM
Yeah, I was going to go the kydex route, but since we have that removable buttcap I wanted to make something that look like it's part of the gun.

 I don't have P/P .Can I send you a Cashiers Check for a black Leftie Tavor grip and a black Leftie safty thumb post ?
 Just reply as a message to me with your address and I'll send it out.
 Thanks in advance.

Bplvr, I think Shapeways takes credit cards IIRC, do they not? I'm out of town with limited access to internet so I'll try to double check later.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: bplvr on May 09, 2017, 12:04:24 AM
every time I use my card on the net it gets hacked and then I hafta get a new one .no more.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Rhino on May 11, 2017, 12:42:06 PM
For what it is, and why it is there, that looks awesome!  I am in Cali as well and have a black kydex wrap, hah...  Make a couple, I'm sure you could sell em.  If the price was right I'd be happy to get one from you when you have it completed.

Edit: Derp, saw the link to order.  No FDE variant, bummer.  Thank you for doing this though and making it available.  Very cool.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: bplvr on May 11, 2017, 02:46:38 PM
If you can get a black lefty and the thumb rest I'll pay you in advance for them.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: omgbarndor on May 12, 2017, 11:04:37 PM
Oh hey this thing works left handed.
(http://i.imgur.com/4FgiTPZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aRpWRKe.jpg)


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: mshill on May 15, 2017, 06:48:25 PM
Looks awesome.  Goodbye grip wrap...
I was planning on registering as an AW in CA cause I hated the grip wrap.  Ordered a safety thumb rest too.  This will really help to control the "featureless" firearm one handed. 
The icing on the cake is that it was created behind enemy lines and yet Shapeways is out of state so no sales tax for CA. Suck it DeLeon.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on May 25, 2017, 03:56:14 AM
Hey all, hold off on ordering the fins for now.  There seems to be enough worry about compliance with the silly law so I've added a brace to go against the side of the gun to prevent the shark fin from flexing.  I'll probably put up both versions so you can choose from each, but if you wait you'll have a choice of which one you want.

For those who've already ordered a fin, I made an adapter part if you'd like to add it on.  You'll have to drill a hole in the fin and provide your own nut & bolt.  I'll provide these at cost since it was an afterthought.

I've just ordered the new parts, so they should be here in just over a week.  I'll let you know how it goes.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: mshill on May 25, 2017, 04:51:34 PM
Hey all, hold off on ordering the fins for now.  There seems to be enough worry about compliance with the silly law so I've added a brace to go against the side of the gun to prevent the shark fin from flexing.  I'll probably put up both versions so you can choose from each, but if you wait you'll have a choice of which one you want.

For those who've already ordered a fin, I made an adapter part if you'd like to add it on.  You'll have to drill a hole in the fin and provide your own nut & bolt.  I'll provide these at cost since it was an afterthought.

I've just ordered the new parts, so they should be here in just over a week.  I'll let you know how it goes.

While I ordered already (supposed to arrive tomorrow)  I am less worried about the fin flexing than I am about the stupid 30"OAL with welded/pinned muzzle device that showed up in the (leaked) proposed DOJ regulations.  Ain't no way I am pinning/welding that 4" abortion on my barrel. F-em all.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: bplvr on May 26, 2017, 02:57:37 PM
Please check yur message box Jason.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on May 27, 2017, 08:47:47 PM
Got it! Messaged you back  ;D


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: mshill on May 31, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
Got the Tavor SAR with the grip fin and thumb rest safety selector out to the range today. 
After verifying my scope zero I shot some freehand to get a feel for the fin grip and the thumb rest.

I like your fin grip better than the wrap I had on it.  The wrap added that extra little bit to the dimensions of the grip that just made it uncomfortable for me.  Your fin grip also makes accessing the mag release much easier than my previous wrap did.  All in all it looks great and it does not have a negative effect on the ergonomics like the wrap does.

But the highlight of the day was the thumb rest safety selector.  What a difference it makes for the control of the weapon, and on top of that it is almost natural for engaging and disengaging the safety when needed.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: RabbitSlayer on May 31, 2017, 08:43:16 PM
Wow that's gay, f*ck California, it's run by communists.  I refuse to even visit communist libtard states.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: silentrunning on May 31, 2017, 09:46:34 PM
AWFUL.........Move Out Of Cali


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Aussie E on May 31, 2017, 11:04:53 PM
Great to see firearms enthusiasts persevering in that hostile environment!

When I left SoCal the last time my choices were relocate to Vegas (with no job lined up) or East Bay SF (with a fat $$$ job offer). Didn't even have to think, the truck just veered East and I didn't stop till Vegas.

Don't regret leaving but I also don't regret my time there. My most active shooting/competition/training years were all in California. It's just too damn hot out in the desert half the year.

Still have a tonne of friends out there and some of them are in the firearms industry (don't know how they do it with all the rules and regs) and for them I hope people don't give up on them or their rights. Every fight is a fight worth fighting, our community must stick together cause the opposition gets stronger with every victory no matter what state it is in.

AE


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: mshill on June 01, 2017, 06:47:52 PM
Great to see firearms enthusiasts persevering in that hostile environment!

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Still have a tonne of friends out there and some of them are in the firearms industry (don't know how they do it with all the rules and regs) and for them I hope people don't give up on them or their rights. Every fight is a fight worth fighting, our community must stick together cause the opposition gets stronger with every victory no matter what state it is in.

AE

It is getting really tough here, not just with respect to firearms but with just about anything conservative.  I have a ten year plan and only hope that the I can endure that long without losing all my marbles.  If I wasn't at the tail end of my career I would seriously consider relocating now.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on June 04, 2017, 05:20:00 AM
So I was able to print out and test the new changes!  There's a brace add-on that requires you to drill out the hole to the size you need for your screw+bolt.  There's also a new fin with the brace molded in.  I've left both versions available in case you don't like the looks of the new one.  The brace has been listed at the cost that Shapeways charges to print.  I apologize for the inconvenience of having to print another part out.

I also figured out what was wrong with the left handed thumb safeties and I need to enlarge the cutout for the wedge.  I didn't give it enough room since the left and right side metal wedges are different.  I'm not going to list it until I've fixed it.  If you already ordered a left-side thumb safety, please PM me with your address and I will order a bunch to replace the ones you have.  Again, I apologize for the oversight :(

Edit: Shapeways has a 5% off coupon code GREETINGS5


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on June 05, 2017, 08:35:03 PM
I forgot to mention this in the last post, but I was hoping to get some feedback on the thumbrests from those of you using them.  The left one that I ordered was much much tighter than the right one.  I had to scrape a bit of plastic with a tiny screwdriver to get it on there.  I'm trying to figure out if it's a variance in printing, difference in mounting wedges on the gun (they should be the same since the OEM safeties are interchangeable), or if it's a quirk of my own Tavor.

The right side was a bit tight with the original opening, but since we're using it to manipulate the gun, I didn't mind.  I ended up having to print about 16 different sizes for the regular safeties I designed since the original was too tight for regular safeties.  If the left side one ends up being too tight for several of you, then I'll make it a little bigger.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: bplvr on June 08, 2017, 12:10:50 PM
Can u give us a link to the brace or are you just going to
get some made up and we can get them from you.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: omgbarndor on June 08, 2017, 11:50:54 PM
His items are listed here: https://www.shapeways.com/shops/random-thoughts?li=pb (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/random-thoughts?li=pb)

Quick updates on all this, thanks! Looking forward to testing out the brace for the left hand version.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: bplvr on June 09, 2017, 12:37:38 AM
I have been trying for 2 hours to buy a left brace.They don't recognize the e-mail addy I used before ,even though they sent me updates to that addy when I ordered the fin.  Please reply to me in a PM and I will send u $10.00 for a lefty brace. I am done with shapeways.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on June 15, 2017, 07:37:55 PM
Hi guys, I just got the shipment in so I'm going to send the parts out today.

There is one remaining person who bought a left-handed thumbrest that hasn't contacted me.  If that's you, please PM me with your the date you ordered it and I'll send you the corrected thumbrest  ;)


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: TECHNICALTACTICAL on May 19, 2018, 04:45:20 PM
i would love the file to make this grip and for a case


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: HomeDefense2016 on May 19, 2018, 10:53:21 PM
please make for the X95!


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Rastoff on May 20, 2018, 04:54:01 PM
please make for the X95!
If you need a grip fin, I can hook you up. I don't make them, but I have a guy that does. What type of grip do you have?


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: HomeDefense2016 on May 20, 2018, 11:17:26 PM
I have a grip fin from gripfins. 
http://www.fingrips.com

Its nice but I really like what our friend here has for the SAR.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Oner on May 22, 2018, 12:58:08 PM
Could you offer a slightly modified slimmer/sleeker version of your thumb rest safety design (maybe in metal as well?) similar to the Discontinued L&R Percival Armaments El Selector ~ (https://www.bullpuparmory.com/product_p/pa-els-tavor.htm (https://www.bullpuparmory.com/product_p/pa-els-tavor.htm)) for those of us who live in states that do not have those crazy constrictive Kalifornia laws? I'm most likely going to get a set since they are so inexpensive but would like options if available (shape/material).


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on June 23, 2018, 05:30:46 PM
Sorry I haven't been on in a while, work has been crazy. Sure I'll see if I can put something together with a thumb paddle sort of thing. I'm hesitant to print anything that requires this sort of precision in metal though. I'm not sure if the tech can print something that precise. I'm weary about the safety rattling around if too loose, or wearing down the metal if too tight. I'll look into it though.


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Jdub765 on August 01, 2018, 12:15:27 AM
So here's what I came up with for a paddle style safety. I still need to adjust some measurements so I haven't put it up yet.  Let me know what you think!


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Rastoff on August 10, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
Jdub765,
That safety looks great. Can you make one for the left side?


Title: Re: My grip fin for the silly CA laws
Post by: Oner on October 02, 2018, 02:52:52 PM
Jdub765,
That safety looks great. Can you make one for the left side?

This! Also any estimate on price and when this will be available on your Shapeways account?