BULLPUP FORUM

Bullpup Rifles (Auto & Semi-Auto Centerfire) => IWI Tavor & X-95 => Topic started by: RadScorpius on March 01, 2017, 01:08:02 PM



Title: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 01, 2017, 01:08:02 PM
IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard on their webstore. About time. $14.99 for the buttpad, and $39.99 for the handguard. All pretty seasonably priced.

https://www.iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Spare-Parts/Tavor-X95-thin-Buttplate.aspx

https://www.iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Spare-Parts/Tavor-X95-Short-Foregrip.aspx


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: BellatorInvictus on March 01, 2017, 03:41:40 PM
Well it's ABOUT time. They did listen to us.

Is the shorter top rail available yet too?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 01, 2017, 04:06:20 PM
Well it's ABOUT time. They did listen to us.

Is the shorter top rail available yet too?

Not yet, I got a feeling that the SBR won't be coming anymore since they are selling these SBR related parts.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: adoloris on March 01, 2017, 05:11:21 PM
Thanks for the heads up!


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Hivedr. on March 01, 2017, 05:26:00 PM
Thanks for the heads up. Just ordered a FDE to try out.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: THX1138 on March 01, 2017, 05:44:15 PM
Not yet, I got a feeling that the SBR won't be coming anymore since they are selling these SBR related parts.

Per IWI today:

"We must make the SBR barrels in the US. As usual, this has taken much longer than originally anticipated. We can always get more buttplates, forearms and Pic rails so we have no qualms about selling these components now. At some point in the (hopefully near) future we will be offering SBR X95 kits that will include the 13" barrel, short forearm, thin buttplate and short Pic rail."


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: THX1138 on March 01, 2017, 05:47:45 PM
Well it's ABOUT time. They did listen to us.

Is the shorter top rail available yet too?

"The short Pic rail to go with the short forearm will be in our web store in just a few more days."

"Eventually you will be able to purchase a factory built SBR, SBR conversion kits as well as being able to purchase all kit items separately."



Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: photog22740 on March 01, 2017, 06:45:19 PM
Stupid question...do these just work on the X95 or the SAR too?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 01, 2017, 07:04:21 PM
^^^ just X95


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Pantera on March 01, 2017, 10:26:58 PM
I thought I read here that if you pin and or welded the flash surpressor you were compliant?

And safe to use the standard butt plate.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Gear Head on March 01, 2017, 11:15:26 PM
The thin butt plate made a huge difference in the look and feel of my X95 SBR.
(http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/Gear_Head_Works/X95/IMG_6054_zpsgwyve7a8.jpg)


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dissipator16 on March 01, 2017, 11:39:38 PM
i am gonna find someone locally to pin and weld my standard A2. And then order the buttplate, this is awesome!


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: adoloris on March 01, 2017, 11:51:28 PM
Make sure the overall length is 26.1 " or greater before make by the A2 permanent.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: adoloris on March 01, 2017, 11:59:14 PM
The OAL may be less than 26.1" with the thin buttplate and A2. Measure twice, pin and weld once. You can always use a longer muzzle d vice if needed to stay out of SBR length.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dissipator16 on March 02, 2017, 12:00:00 AM
it is.    i will check once more before i get it done. appreciate it!


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 02, 2017, 12:04:51 AM
If regular A2 brake is too short you can always use BCM's extended A2, they are the same diameter as regular A2, so you can move the X95 handguard on and off easily.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-A2X-Extended-A2-Flash-Hider-Suppressor-p/bcm-a2x.htm


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dissipator16 on March 02, 2017, 12:25:38 AM
you guys got me thinking and rightfully so, this is some serious stuff. But i know it was 26 inches at least from the tip of the factory A2 to just before the top (longest) part of my receiver right before the buttplate hinges down. I will remeasure for sure, but i don't see how it could not pass. Thanks very much for the insight!


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Pantera on March 02, 2017, 12:53:12 AM
I am measuring 26 1/8" to the end
of the body before it turns down.
And with a conservative 1/4" guess on the
slim butt plate it should exceed the requirement of 26.1


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: chowser51 on March 02, 2017, 10:47:55 AM
Wow. Maybe I'll pin/weld my suppressor mount and sell my Manticore and buy the thin pad.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dntam on March 02, 2017, 05:07:30 PM
I wonder if we will also get an 18 inch X95 , then no problem using the thin pad.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Gear Head on March 02, 2017, 09:49:23 PM
I wonder if we will also get an 18 inch X95 , then no problem using the thin pad.

These are already shipping I believe.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: DILLIGAF on March 02, 2017, 10:24:28 PM
Just ordered mine :-)


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: l2a3 on March 03, 2017, 11:04:13 PM
Remember guys! The 26.+ inch measurement is from the BARE barrel muzzle (WITHOUT any attachment) to the 26.+ inch mark.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Pantera on March 04, 2017, 12:16:12 AM
If the measurement was from the bare muzzle than why would anyone pin and weld their flash surpressor?
And why would someone market an extended A2 pre drilled for same?

I read the Fed reg and did not find anything specifically stating the measurement was from the bare muzzle.






Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dntam on March 04, 2017, 04:19:17 AM
If the measurement was from the bare muzzle than why would anyone pin and weld their flash surpressor?
And why would someone market an extended A2 pre drilled for same?

I read the Fed reg and did not find anything specifically stating the measurement was from the bare muzzle.

If you permanently attach a muzzle device it's considered part of the barrel. It has been commonly understood that for legal requirements the length of a barrel is measured from the muzzle; detachable muzzle devices don't count  as increasing the length of a barrel unless they are permanently attached.




Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: BellatorInvictus on March 04, 2017, 04:35:50 AM
Looks like the short top pic rail is now also in the store. Thank you IWI!


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dissipator16 on March 04, 2017, 06:09:36 PM
my buttplate might be here today, and i just dropped it off to get pinned and welded.  stoked >:D


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: DubageL on March 04, 2017, 06:18:46 PM
Yep, just got the parts, except the barrel. FYI, the sbr forearm does not have a sling swivel QD cup.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: adoloris on March 04, 2017, 07:01:56 PM
Mine is here! Now which muzzle device to pin and weld...? I'm leaning toward a combination brake/flash-suppressor like the FSC556 or J-Comp.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 04, 2017, 09:07:52 PM
I ordered 2 buttplate, but only one arrived.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Hivedr. on March 04, 2017, 09:56:00 PM
WOW that was fast shipping. Short hand guard arrived today.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: TSpork on March 04, 2017, 11:47:43 PM
How did you guys remove the two screws for the buttpad? I tried for about a minute and they wouldn't break free


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dissipator16 on March 04, 2017, 11:58:10 PM
Just using two normal sized screwdrivers, mine broke free rather easily


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dissipator16 on March 04, 2017, 11:59:16 PM
I like how this buttplate has metal tabs for the push pin. I am guessing this is the exact type they use on IDF models? The factory chunky monkey was all plastic. Just waiting on my pin and weld now


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: TSpork on March 05, 2017, 12:29:01 AM
Just using two normal sized screwdrivers, mine broke free rather easily

Oh alright. I'll add more muscle then. I was thinking about adding heat. Mine is really tight so the screw drivers kept sliding off


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: DubageL on March 05, 2017, 07:06:52 AM
Funny, mine is reverse, my factory rubber pad has metal tabs and the IDF butt pad is all plastic.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: HomeDefense2016 on March 05, 2017, 11:00:55 AM
for those of you how have received it, what is the weight differences between the two buttpads?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: unsungboxer on March 05, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
Funny, mine is reverse, my factory rubber pad has metal tabs and the IDF butt pad is all plastic.

I am pretty sure they use locktite.   first time breaking that seal is tough, i see many asking this question.  if your screw sdrivers are slipping, you are using the wrong size bit.  the bit needs to be "sharp" enough to seat properly.  if its too fat it wont seat and you will round the edges of the screw head.

Proper screw drivers with enough torque will break the locktite seal.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dissipator16 on March 05, 2017, 11:16:06 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170305/ff74838d5f13db2abb80c62de5c7600c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170305/9476a021570f78d7dc5052ca4e42266d.jpg)

It's very light but I don't have a scale. The top where the push pin slides is a bit heavier due to the metal up there, but a really nice piece overall


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: TSpork on March 05, 2017, 12:48:08 PM
Funny, mine is reverse, my factory rubber pad has metal tabs and the IDF butt pad is all plastic.

I am pretty sure they use locktite.   first time breaking that seal is tough, i see many asking this question.  if your screw sdrivers are slipping, you are using the wrong size bit.  the bit needs to be "sharp" enough to seat properly.  if its too fat it wont seat and you will round the edges of the screw head.

Proper screw drivers with enough torque will break the locktite seal.


Thanks. I was able to get it after using a bit more muscle into it. mine was loctited on there pretty good


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Pantera on March 06, 2017, 07:17:32 PM
I received my slim buttplate today. Gotta love IWI US and their fast and track able shipping.

The X-95  measures 26 1/2 " inches with the A2 to the longest point of the buttplate.  Tomorrow I will have it pinned and welded. And the upper attachment plate is metal. Overall well made as we expect from IWI.

JMO but this is how the X-95 was meant to be. The rubber buttplate always seemed to grab my clothes when shouldering it. The slim plate shoulders quicker and fits my shoulder perfectly. And not that it matters from a practical stand point it just looks correct compared to the "door stop" butt plate.  


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: MarkB on March 06, 2017, 07:55:11 PM
Just make sure you want to go with the A2 and not a different muzzle device before you pin it.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Hkbeltfed on March 06, 2017, 10:03:53 PM
They're selling the SBR flat top rail now too...

https://iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Spare-Parts/Tavor-X95-SBR-Flattop-Rail.aspx


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: NEHackettstown on March 07, 2017, 12:48:34 PM
This has been the only plus about New Jersey gun ownership is that by law my muzzle brake has to be pinned and welded.  I just ordered the slim buttpad.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: cabbynate on March 07, 2017, 06:09:13 PM
Even if you get the short barrel with all the goodies they sell a 4 5/8" Muzzle Brake. Pin that to the barrel before installing all the other parts and your good. Get your stamp and remove the long break and rock on.. That's my plan anyway..
https://www.iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Spare-Parts/Tavor%C2%AE-SAR-5-56-Aluminum-Muzzle-Brake-4-625.aspx (https://www.iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Spare-Parts/Tavor%C2%AE-SAR-5-56-Aluminum-Muzzle-Brake-4-625.aspx)


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dissipator16 on March 07, 2017, 11:07:39 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170308/aa07e7542a9e887db31a21f47e353464.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170308/81c6081c135f840a80fc8da7f2bcf9b5.jpg)

Yup.  That's how it should be. I'll be selling my manticore buttpad if anyone wants.

Just got her back from getting a standard A2 pinned n welded. Very happy


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: bhunted on March 08, 2017, 01:49:39 PM
This has been the only plus about New Jersey gun ownership is that by law my muzzle brake has to be pinned and welded.  I just ordered the slim buttpad.

Sux don't it? Mine will be here tamale. Can't wait to get out of this hell hole.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Jfoster99 on March 08, 2017, 10:22:06 PM
Anyone have a pic of the short forend installed on a rifle? Any thought on putting it on a 16" for looks.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 09, 2017, 01:09:02 AM
^^^^


(http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q668/RadScorpius/IMG_4939_zpsvceaeygq.jpg)


Title: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Jfoster99 on March 09, 2017, 07:39:19 AM
So, unfortunately when I hade my muzzle break Pinned I also had the barrel cut.. without any pad installed the rifle measures a smidge over 25 1/2 inches. It look like the pad adds maybe a 1/4 inch if that....

Any thoughts on adding a small wedge of hard rubber to the top of the pad to make up the difference... I could super glue and potentially drill a hole and rivet it in place.  

To make it look factory made I'd like to cover the entire pad something to give it a homogeneous look... something like the stuff you dip tools into to coat the handle with a rubber/vinyl Grip. But not that specifically. Any suggestions on a coating?

If the whole thing is just a "bad idea"  let me know that as well.  I could alway just cut the existing 2 1/2 inch muzzle break off and pin a 3" break on... but I really like my break..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170309/b015f53edc0a391e39363071586fc883.jpg)


Title: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Jfoster99 on March 09, 2017, 07:49:52 AM
^^^^


(http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q668/RadScorpius/IMG_4939_zpsvceaeygq.jpg)


It looks like the light is mounted lower then the sight?

Did you install the short rail available from IWI as well?

I'd like the rail to run to the end similar to the stock rail just shorter.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: bhunted on March 09, 2017, 10:39:17 AM
So, unfortunately when I hade my muzzle break Pinned I also had the barrel cut.. without any pad installed the rifle measures a smidge over 25 1/2 inches. It look like the pad adds maybe a 1/4 inch if that....

Any thoughts on adding a small wedge of hard rubber to the top of the pad to make up the difference... I could super glue and potentially drill a hole and rivet it in place.   

To make it look factory made I'd like to cover the entire pad something to give it a homogeneous look... something like the stuff you dip tools into to coat the handle with a rubber/vinyl Grip. But not that specifically. Any suggestions on a coating?

If the whole thing is just a "bad idea"  let me know that as well.  I could alway just cut the existing 2 1/2 inch muzzle break off and pin a 3" break on... but I really like my break..(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170309/b015f53edc0a391e39363071586fc883.jpg)

Sounds like a waste of time if you are going to try build it up. Another fellow here sanded down his factory pad. You'd be better off doing that to get it within spec.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Gear Head on March 10, 2017, 11:00:03 AM
I agree that it would probably be easier to sand down the stock pad before building up the thin one. If it were mine though, I would cut off the brake and change it.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: bhunted on March 10, 2017, 11:20:08 AM
I haven't seen too many pinned brakes that could not be drilled out and replaced. First thing I did on my NJ compliant version. Found a brake I wanted then repinned and welded. Eazy peezy. 😏


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: bhunted on March 10, 2017, 11:29:01 AM
How did you guys remove the two screws for the buttpad? I tried for about a minute and they wouldn't break free


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Loctite is on there. A trick I learned years ago with setups like that where you can't break it free. If no heat gun, hair dryer or other form of heat is available, you obviously don't want to melt your stock with a torch.

Get 2 of the proper size screw drivers. Heat the tips of both over a flame on the stove for 5-10 seconds. Put both blades in the screw slots and let them set a few seconds. Then twist. The heat will transfer down through the screws and loosen the Loctite. Quick and easy.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: bhunted on March 11, 2017, 03:09:56 PM
Much more comfortable now. I'm content.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170311/c61aacab0586adb2da7217d5add4e2bf.jpg)


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: BellatorInvictus on March 11, 2017, 05:18:41 PM
That looks SO much better. Keep the pics coming!


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Pantera on March 11, 2017, 06:35:24 PM
Huge improvement.

OK guys first time posting a pic. How do you get it full size instead of as an attachment ?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Brianschwarm on March 14, 2017, 09:48:02 AM
The thin butt plate made a huge difference in the look and feel of my X95 SBR.
(http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/Gear_Head_Works/X95/IMG_6054_zpsgwyve7a8.jpg)

How did you make your fore end that short?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 14, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
^^ he cut the original down.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: MountainBiker on March 15, 2017, 11:14:21 AM
^^^^


(http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q668/RadScorpius/IMG_4939_zpsvceaeygq.jpg)

I'm going to copy this look RedScorpius.  Have both the short foregrip and butt pad for my FDE X95.  Want the Fab Defense vertical ergo grip, however I'm hesitant as the color looks quite a bit lighter.  Almost like a beige.  May give it a shot anyways. I'll post up in a couple weeks.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Rick53 on March 15, 2017, 03:49:39 PM
(http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt283/Rickenbacker53/5c45aa1a-469e-49d1-bc0d-f07d4ad7f07d.jpg) (http://s620.photobucket.com/user/Rickenbacker53/media/5c45aa1a-469e-49d1-bc0d-f07d4ad7f07d.jpg.html)WHAT'S the Point in this config? More comfortable?  I mean besides the SBR IS THIS PAD MORE ERGONOMIC


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 15, 2017, 06:51:31 PM
More slick and more comfortable for me, I did not care for the fat rubber pad that came originally, and I didn't cared for that huge pointy corner on the Manticore ones.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Jfoster99 on March 16, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
Went with the industrial look until i have time to cut off the break and install a longer one..  At $15 each i don't mind doing a temp solution.. i kind of like the look.. maybe ill keep it.. it is not bad to shoulder... the ring creates a little ramp so nothing pointy pokes u.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170316/a94bd7d5ae1657c4fbd0e498d3cce720.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170316/c86ae9eadae228cb84d34516691a78e2.jpg)


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: cghelton on March 16, 2017, 06:31:28 PM
The thin butt plate made a huge difference in the look and feel of my X95 SBR.
(http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/Gear_Head_Works/X95/IMG_6054_zpsgwyve7a8.jpg)
That's badass!!👍


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: cghelton on March 16, 2017, 06:43:29 PM
Will I be fine as far as length wise if I just add the thin butt plate? Not SBR'ing mine for now. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170316/713c2e39c0f618df2d216abcf63690a7.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Jfoster99 on March 16, 2017, 08:30:29 PM
Will I be fine as far as length wise if I just add the thin butt plate? Not SBR'ing mine for now. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170316/713c2e39c0f618df2d216abcf63690a7.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You would have to permanently attach  ( pin/weld ) the muzzle break otherwise it will be too short.

Just use a tape measure to check the overall length. It needs to be 26". ( a little over just to be safe )


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: bhunted on March 16, 2017, 09:27:29 PM
Went with the industrial look until i have time to cut off the break and install a longer one..  At $15 each i don't mind doing a temp solution.. i kind of like the look.. maybe ill keep it.. it is not bad to shoulder... the ring creates a little ramp so nothing pointy pokes u.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170316/a94bd7d5ae1657c4fbd0e498d3cce720.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170316/c86ae9eadae228cb84d34516691a78e2.jpg)

I'm confused. What's the ring for?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Jfoster99 on March 16, 2017, 09:40:44 PM
It is not for anything... I needed to add 1/4" to the length.  I thought it looked "cool". Has and industrial look.   

I was just commenting that the ring does kind of help keep the nub part from poking my shoulder.

Eventually I will likely put a longer muzzle device on and then won't need to add a 1/4" to the buttpad to meet the 26" min length or maybe just keep the ring... it is growing on me.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: bhunted on March 16, 2017, 09:48:15 PM
I'm not sure that ring would qualify to keep your length legal. Be careful with that.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 17, 2017, 12:43:36 AM
I'm not sure that ring would qualify to keep your length legal. Be careful with that.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not worth the risk to f*** with NFA laws, but then again, I'm tired of telling people what to do either as long as they don't bother me.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Jfoster99 on March 17, 2017, 08:15:04 AM
I'm not sure that ring would qualify to keep your length legal. Be careful with that.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Can you explain why?  I'm not looking to be a test case.  This was likely just temporary... I have a second flat  Buttpad that  I was going to try and form a curved wedge shape hard rubber top... possible cut  the top piece of my manticore arms pad and jb weld it to the flat pad? Would that be less risky?

It the issue something specific about the ring or just the fact that I modified it... meaning there is no way to extend the thin pad without running a risk?

I could alway replace the break with a longer one as well.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Jfoster99 on March 17, 2017, 08:23:46 AM
I'm not sure that ring would qualify to keep your length legal. Be careful with that.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not worth the risk to f*** with NFA laws, but then again, I'm tired of telling people what to do either as long as they don't bother me.

I'm interested in your opinion as well. See my post above to bhunt.

I did not think this was a subjective issue..

In my head I  pictured the ATF has a box exactly 26" long and the rifle either fits into the box or it does not.  I did ponder that if you used a foam padding to extend the length and it was too easily compressed to fit in the box that there may be an issue. So I was going to be sure to use a hard rubber.




Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 17, 2017, 10:41:18 AM
I'm not sure that ring would qualify to keep your length legal. Be careful with that.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not worth the risk to f*** with NFA laws, but then again, I'm tired of telling people what to do either as long as they don't bother me.

I'm interested in your opinion as well. See my post above to bhunt.

I did not think this was a subjective issue..

In my head I  pictured the ATF has a box exactly 26" long and the rifle either fits into the box or it does not.  I did ponder that if you used a foam padding to extend the length and it was too easily compressed to fit in the box that there may be an issue. So I was going to be sure to use a hard rubber.




ATF have specifications as to how strong a part has to be to qualify as extending the length of a rifle. I'm not going to post an entire 10 page article on here, I do know pinned and welded muzzle device has to be strong enough to support the weight of an ATF agent hanging on it with a wrench or something ridiculous like that.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 17, 2017, 10:52:43 AM
Will I be fine as far as length wise if I just add the thin butt plate? Not SBR'ing mine for now. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170316/713c2e39c0f618df2d216abcf63690a7.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No, you need to permanently attach the muzzle brake, it's called "pin and weld", please google the details, I don't want to make a page long post, any other way to attach a muzzle brake are not approved by ATF. As it currently stands on your rifle it will be exactly 26", so I recommend using a longer muzzle device to make it longer to be safe. Griffin Armament's M4SD muzzle has the hole predeilled and ready for pin and weld by a gun smith, it works and looks good on a rifle too.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: BellatorInvictus on March 17, 2017, 10:53:54 AM
Foster--if the ATF requires people to *weld* on their flash hiders for legality, I can promise you that gluing things on the end of your buttpad to extend the OAL would not fly with them. This is not something you want to mess around with as there are many anti-gun communists who work for the ATF who will only be too happy to find an excuse to make your life miserable. It's happened before and it will continue to happen. Be aware these agents may be reading this and other forums.

Come on, having a ring and nub on your buttpad doesn't make much sense. It diminishes the functionality of the buttpad because it prevents you from being able to properly shoulder the rifle. Guns are not things to skimp around with. You need to do things properly and either go back to using the OEM thick buttpad, or pin and weld on a longer muzzle device and then get yourself another thin buttpad from IWI.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: cghelton on March 17, 2017, 01:06:20 PM
Will I be fine as far as length wise if I just add the thin butt plate? Not SBR'ing mine for now. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170316/713c2e39c0f618df2d216abcf63690a7.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No, you need to permanently attach the muzzle brake, it's called "pin and weld", please google the details, I don't want to make a page long post, any other way to attach a muzzle brake are not approved by ATF. As it currently stands on your rifle it will be exactly 26", so I recommend using a longer muzzle device to make it longer to be safe. Griffin Armament's M4SD muzzle has the hole predeilled and ready for pin and weld by a gun smith, it works and looks good on a rifle too.
This one?
https://www.griffinarmament.com/M4SD-5-56-Flash-Comp-1-2x28-p/xhp556fc.htm

Thank you Sir.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 17, 2017, 01:15:14 PM
^^^ that's the one. Using the locknut on the X95 barrel this should get your X95 to almost 27", totally safe. Be sure to get a professional gun smith to do it.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: cghelton on March 17, 2017, 01:46:22 PM
Definitely, I'm not messing with it. Thanks a lot!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Jfoster99 on March 18, 2017, 03:31:18 AM
Bellatorinvictus/ Radscorpius/ Bhunted,

Thanks for your opinion. I agree with it and intend to follow it and replace the current 2 1/2" Pinned on break with one that is 3".

However, I googled the crap out of this and scoured the ATF website.
The only ATF documentation on a rifles Over All Length is that it is measured between the muzzle and the rearmost portion of the weapon along a line parallel with the axis of the bore.


I could not find anything regarding material to be used, strength, permanence, etc. 

If the measuring description was worded as between the muzzle and the rearmost portion of the stock a case could be made that the ring nub is not part of the stock  but is just say rearmost portion of the weapon...

Again, I am installing a longer break, I don't want to be a test case but just interested in analyzing the specific of the laws as written.

If I missed anything of relevance published by the ATF I would like to know just for my own education.

Lastly,I have been going back and forth but think I will leave the ring  on even after the extended break is installed. I found a good use for my ring and I like the aesthetics.  Also it is attached rock solid with the JB Weld.  That stuff is amazing. I put my full weight pulling down on it and felt like the flat Buttpad was going to break loose from the rifle before the ring broke loose. Who knows maybe they will catch on and IWI will make them Standard OEM option. (Does anyone know a patent attorney)

Below is a link to the ATF document I referenced.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/atf-national-firearms-act-handbook-chapter-2/download

Section 2.1.2
The overall length of a firearm is the distance between the muzzle of the barrel and the rearmost portion of the weapon measured on a line parallel to the axis of the bore

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170318/1f3307dc870af8da877fcc8b30375a43.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170318/b0a40efb10d79046961cadd67d507acd.jpg)


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on March 18, 2017, 12:30:42 PM
Fair enough.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dntam on April 14, 2017, 12:22:38 AM
I just installed it on an x95 with 18 inch barrel. It feels and works great. I also replaced the A2 comp with a Carlson mini comp to shorten the overall length a bit. It is still over 26 inches without the comp. so no NFA worries. It handles and feels much more compact  than my SAR with manticore pad.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f233/dntama/IMG_0474_zpsw3f94hds.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/dntama/media/IMG_0474_zpsw3f94hds.jpg.html)



Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: MountainBiker on April 14, 2017, 03:27:47 PM
Installed mine too.  What a difference!  Will eventually install the short hand guard, but need the new short rail.  Probably wait for it to go on sale.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/thesmiz33/IMG_2724_zpsokytd8c4.jpg) (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/thesmiz33/media/IMG_2724_zpsokytd8c4.jpg.html)


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on April 14, 2017, 08:41:09 PM
It's already up for sale. EDIT: oh you meant ON SALE.

https://iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Spare-Parts/Tavor-X95-SBR-Flattop-Rail.aspx (https://iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Spare-Parts/Tavor-X95-SBR-Flattop-Rail.aspx)


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: MountainBiker on April 14, 2017, 11:44:19 PM
It's already up for sale. EDIT: oh you meant ON SALE.

https://iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Spare-Parts/Tavor-X95-SBR-Flattop-Rail.aspx (https://iwi.us/Products/Tavor-X95/Tavor-X95-Spare-Parts/Tavor-X95-SBR-Flattop-Rail.aspx)

Ha, yes...On Sale.  Black Friday seems to be the only time IWI does sales, is that right?  When I purchased the short foregrip I asked them if I needed the short rail or if I could reuse the stock rail; I was told that the short rail was NOT needed!  Well, yeah...maybe not if I was cool with a few inches of rail hanging off the front. Hahaha.  Probably good for me to make incremental changes anyways (we'll see how long this mindset lasts). 


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Major54 on April 15, 2017, 02:34:34 AM
It may be posted somewhere but I haven't seen it if so: Has IWI ever stated why they used the blocky square short handguard design over the somewhat round IDF version? That is what I'd really like to get my hands on!

I know aesthetics are highly subjective but the actual Micro Tavor front end just looks so much better to me anyway.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on April 15, 2017, 03:57:16 AM
It may be posted somewhere but I haven't seen it if so: Has IWI ever stated why they used the blocky square short handguard design over the somewhat round IDF version? That is what I'd really like to get my hands on!

I know aesthetics are highly subjective but the actual Micro Tavor front end just looks so much better to me anyway.

Because that's the newest production handguard IWI make on X95s now, even for military productions.

(https://civilwarineurope.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/image119.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TM3lm-0ZiE8/Vw5KeRj6uWI/AAAAAAABQmw/a9fmzYV-wOAbCwA6MPW7pG7_Gar_PecKgCLcB/s1600/untitled1.png)

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12357360_1664378427154161_1222050126_n.jpg)


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Major54 on April 15, 2017, 04:55:22 AM
Fair enough and thanks for the pics! Now if I can just decide on which muzzle device to blind pin. Love the VG6 Epsilon but the side concussion blast is a bit harsh in a squad environment. Probably will just go with the default A2 style.

The A2 bird will more closely approximate the X95L look while trying to decide whether to form 1 this thing. I know you lose rail space with the older rounded front end but it does look sweet imho.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: MountainBiker on April 15, 2017, 10:45:47 AM
I know you lose rail space with the older rounded front end but it does look sweet imho.
100% agree!!  The round foregrip looks so much better


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Rick53 on April 15, 2017, 01:39:20 PM
Installed mine too.  What a difference!  Will eventually install the short hand guard, but need the new short rail.  Probably wait for it to go on sale.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/thesmiz33/IMG_2724_zpsokytd8c4.jpg) (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/thesmiz33/media/IMG_2724_zpsokytd8c4.jpg.html)
What a difference????????? In What way? Is it more of a natural pointer now? Other then the Obvious Length of Put can you describe what you mean by what a difference?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: DubageL on April 15, 2017, 02:53:28 PM
Remember, that IDF round handguard was also designed as part of a platform to use with an integral suppressor like the hkmp5sd.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: MountainBiker on April 15, 2017, 02:54:03 PM
Installed mine too.  What a difference!  Will eventually install the short hand guard, but need the new short rail.  Probably wait for it to go on sale.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/thesmiz33/IMG_2724_zpsokytd8c4.jpg) (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/thesmiz33/media/IMG_2724_zpsokytd8c4.jpg.html)
What a difference????????? In What way? Is it more of a natural pointer now? Other then the Obvious Length of Put can you describe what you mean by what a difference?
Rick, I'll start by saying that I haven't shot it with the thin butt pad yet (waiting on Mepro RDS to arrive).  However, just shouldering it in the living room, it feels more compact obviously.  It's just a couple inches, yet it feels right.  I wanted to SBR the rifle, getting it shorter; the butt pad put me closer to that and I just dig how tight it is to my body.   Hard to explain and rightfully so as I'll need range time with it for a relevant experience.  


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: modelbuilder56 on April 15, 2017, 03:58:03 PM
Mountainbiker did you just pin and weld the flashhider that came with the rifle or did you get a BCM A2X.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: MountainBiker on April 15, 2017, 04:24:02 PM
Mountainbiker did you just pin and weld the flashhider that came with the rifle or did you get a BCM A2X.
Pinned/welded the stock A2 that came on it.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Gear Head on April 16, 2017, 09:40:53 PM
Remember whatever muzzle device you decide to attach, it needs to slide through the forearm.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Major54 on April 17, 2017, 07:02:06 PM
Remember whatever muzzle device you decide to attach, it needs to slide through the forearm.

Excellent reminder for most users! Pinning and welding may not be permanent but is a pain in the butt to remove on any weapon. No matter how sexy a muzzle device may look on your SAR or X95, make sure. Better to have a little extra length than be unable to detail your rifle without destroying something in the process!  ;)


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Razvedka on April 17, 2017, 10:35:47 PM
I just installed it on an x95 with 18 inch barrel. It feels and works great. I also replaced the A2 comp with a Carlson mini comp to shorten the overall length a bit. It is still over 26 inches without the comp. so no NFA worries. It handles and feels much more compact  than my SAR with manticore pad.

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f233/dntama/IMG_0474_zpsw3f94hds.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/dntama/media/IMG_0474_zpsw3f94hds.jpg.html)



What's the total OAL with the short buttpad + 18in rifle? The 16in x95 with the stock fat-eraser buttpad is 26 ⅛ inches.

How does the 18in + short buttpad compare to that?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: dntam on April 18, 2017, 12:16:49 AM
With an 18 in. barrel the overall length is 28.5 to the end of the A2 Brake. With the Carlson mini brake its 28.25 in.
It's about an inch shorter to the bare muzzle. So it's Longer than 16 inch barrel but muzzle velocity is higher and you can mount a bayonet if you want.  I personally prefer not to have to permanently attach anything to the muzzle so to use the thin pad I went with the 18 inch barrel.

 LOP Is short, only 14 in. compared to 15.5 in. on my SAR. For comparison the LOP is 12.75 in. on my AR15 with a fixed A1 stock.

It feels shorter than it sounds, very compact, balances better than my SAR.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: modelbuilder56 on April 18, 2017, 07:41:27 AM
I too am interested in replacing the buttpad and measured my rifle. The measurement with a pinned A2 that came with the rifle from the end of the flash hider to the lowest part of the stock(bottom rear) without any buttpad is exactly 26 inches, measured along the bore axis w/o any buttpad it is 26-1/4 inches. I believe the measurement is along the bore axis so depending on the thickness of the buttpad the length should be fine.

The A2 measures in at 1-3/4 inches so this pinned with a 16.5 inch barrel will bring the barrel measurement in at 18-1/4 inches.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Verfed on April 19, 2017, 08:07:55 AM
The A2 measures in at 1-3/4 inches so this pinned with a 16.5 inch barrel will bring the barrel measurement in at 18-1/4 inches.

But what about the threads going into the A2fh? How much does that overlap, less than half of an inch?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Rick53 on April 19, 2017, 10:59:28 AM
Installed mine too.  What a difference!  Will eventually install the short hand guard, but need the new short rail.  Probably wait for it to go on sale.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/thesmiz33/IMG_2724_zpsokytd8c4.jpg) (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/thesmiz33/media/IMG_2724_zpsokytd8c4.jpg.html)
This looks like a 16 incher : Is it


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: voip-ninja on April 19, 2017, 01:45:36 PM
After taking my new 16.5" X95 to the range today and shooting for the first time I'm thinking I might just SBR it if shorter barrels become available.

This rifle with the short butt-pad, 11-13" barrel and shorter hand grip would be kind of the ultimate sub-gun, other than being semi-automatic of course.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: MountainBiker on April 19, 2017, 07:23:44 PM
This looks like a 16 incher : Is it
Yes it is. 


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: imadude on April 19, 2017, 09:03:15 PM
Does anyone know the difference in weight between the regular and short handguards?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Rick53 on April 20, 2017, 11:17:27 AM
This looks like a 16 incher : Is it
Yes it is. 
So you SBR'd or is that legal length somehow?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: RadScorpius on April 20, 2017, 07:44:48 PM
He pinned and welded the muzzle device.


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Rick53 on April 21, 2017, 12:55:22 PM
He pinned and welded the muzzle device.
Thanks


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: adoloris on April 23, 2017, 05:20:09 PM
VG6 Gamma on the way to pin and weld to my X95 muzzle to avoid the SBR/NFA hassle. I'll post pics when the brake is installed. I could tell you that after several hundred rounds of live-fire dynamic drills, the thin slick buttpad is superior to the OEM and Manticore offerings, but that never really happened...


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: MarkB on April 23, 2017, 06:59:01 PM
You can confirm the simulated live fire drills after you weld the brake to the barrel.  ;D


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: Verfed on April 24, 2017, 03:46:15 AM
A question for you guys. Is an 18in barrel the shortest possible barrel to have with the flat buttplate without having to pin a muzzle device? Or would 17in suffice?


Title: Re: IWI US now selling thin buttpad and short handguard
Post by: BellatorInvictus on April 24, 2017, 10:06:42 AM
17" would be too short. I believe the shortest you could go on the barrel without having to pin on the flash hider would be just over 17.5". You'd have to measure it to know exactly. Chopping the 18.5" barrel could thus save you about an inch. Personally I'd make a decision on the flash hider and pin that to the 16.5" barrel. The shorter the better.