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Title: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Bal2002 on February 06, 2017, 05:39:02 PM
Hi everyone. New member and first post.

I'm looking for red dot recommendations for an X95. Here's what I've considered so far:
  • EOTech 518
  • Mepro Tru-Dot RDS Pro
  • Aimpoint Pro
  • Trijicon MRO

I like the idea of a small MOA and may want to put a magnifier in front of the RDS. I'm not overly concerned with night vision compatibility.

I like the Eotech 518 because of its 1 MOA and also its style of reticle. But then I started hearing about drift issues with Eotech and people sending them back (though I've not seen specific negative comments on the 518). I also like that it runs on AA batteries.

What are people's thoughts?


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: justinf on February 06, 2017, 06:09:28 PM
I returned my Eotechs...use MROs and Aimpoint T1/T2s now.  I recommend both.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Bal2002 on February 06, 2017, 06:32:30 PM
Justin - did you consider the Mepro at all?


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Jack Flag on February 06, 2017, 07:02:45 PM
I've owned and liked EOTechs. I never had an issue with them. But if I had had any when the thermal drift crap storm surfaced. I probably would have dumped any that I had. I do love the FOV and the circle/dot reticle on the EOTechs.

I like Aimpoints and own a couple. I'd probably go with the PRO out of your list. It's basically a slightly cheaper (but still great quality) CompM2. Which was/is the standard in red dot sights.

I've heard great things about the MRO, but I've never tried one. I'd take a look at the new MRO Patrol coming out this year. It's got, among other things, lens caps which I think are a must if you can get them on an optic.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: semper paratus on February 06, 2017, 08:03:35 PM
I dumped my EOTech when they reported the problem.  I never had an issue and liked them, but I was not about to take the chance with the liability.  If you use something that has a know problem - is it worth the risk.

I switched over to a 1-4x 24mm --- getting older --- need the magnification


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Apache on February 07, 2017, 12:16:26 AM
I also dropped my EOTech and replaced it with a Leupold Patrol 1.25-4 . IMHO this is one of the most overlooked optics out there, variable power and when you close the front cover it's a 1X Red Dot ...


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Bal2002 on February 07, 2017, 01:11:59 AM
Thanks for all the great suggestions!


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: BellatorInvictus on February 07, 2017, 01:36:30 AM
I have a Mepro RDS Pro--it's great for the X95. It even looks like it was designed for it stylistically. Large field of view, easy to adjust brightness levels, automatic on and off feature--1.8moa dot. Everything you need. I sold my X95 though so mine is up for sale since I don't need one right now. If I get another X95 in the future, I'll go back to it for sure.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: timetraveler on February 07, 2017, 09:46:05 PM
Also consider the Vortex Razor® AMG™ UH-1™ Holographic Sight — 1 MOA Dot. This sight was introduced at the 2017 Shot Show.  It is expected to be available March 2017.

URL:  http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/razor_amg_uh-1_red_dot 


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: adoloris on February 07, 2017, 09:57:45 PM
I have run both the MRO and Mepro RDS on my X-95 and find the RDS to be a little faster to pick up and has a larger field of view than the MRO. I just put 1200 rounds down range during a two day tactical carbine course with the MRO and wished I had the RDS. The MRO dot has a little starburst with my astigmatism, and I tend to get some tunnel vision with tubular sights.
 I also have an EoTech G33 magnifier from my EoTech days that I tried with the MRO but experienced further distortion of the MRO dot. There is no distortion of the RDS dot, even in the G33 magnifier. I suspect that the difference between the MRO & RDS is the dot projection which is linear in the RDS onto a flat lens vs. from 10 O'clock onto a curved, aspherical lens in the MRO, PLUS my astigmatism.
I absolutely loved the 68 MOA circle, 1 MOA dot EoTech reticle and if they ever sort out the thermal drift issue and improve battery life, I will be running it again. It is the fastest reticle for me to acquire and allowed for holdovers & ranging as well. For now I'll be running the Mepro RDS on my X-95 which is my go to HD gun. Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Bal2002 on February 08, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
Really helpful - thanks. I too have astigmatism and was wondering how that might affect usage.

The Vortex looks interesting but it looks HUGE (check out this picture of it mounted on an M4 http://www.bluesheepdog.com/2017/01/16/new-vortex-razor-amg-uh-1-red-dot/)

The current issue of Recoil has an ad for another optic I've not heard of before: DI Optical EG-1 http://diopticalusa.com/?page_id=496


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: PattonWasRight on February 09, 2017, 04:45:25 PM
Have you considered one of the newer 1-4X "Red Dot Scopes?"

Gives you the function of both a red dot at 1X and can stretch out with 4X ... which was good enough for WWII snipers

Vortex has some nice options, lifetime warranties.

Thought I'd mention it given you were already considering an addt'l magnifier


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Bal2002 on February 09, 2017, 05:25:40 PM
Thanks PattonWasRight. I hadn't considered those but will research. I want something that has infinite eye relief and did not think that would be the case with a magnifier, but I might be wrong.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: DILLIGAF on February 09, 2017, 10:33:22 PM
One of these  ;)

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15873152_10154922352818552_5971327935807056195_n.jpg?oh=caef18687ea2f128adfb482fde127834&oe=594419E8)


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: popo22 on February 11, 2017, 01:07:36 AM
I know many like to buy the more expensive brands but I have used the "Lucid xd7" on my x95 for a while and never had any problems with it. 2 moa dot with different reticles  available(switch to different reticles without change of zero). I have been using it on my "patrol" x95 for a while with no problems. I just put a "Holosun HS515BU" on it and this "RDS" seems every bit as reliable with a 2 moa red dot, but with a smaller package. Time will tell but both of these options are viable for a lot less $$$.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: ranger56528 on February 12, 2017, 03:50:12 PM
So far the Mepro RDS has worked fine for me for the price but now I'm thinking about the New Vortex Huey, Lifetime warranty no questions asked for 499.00, can't beat that with a stick.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: LastFrontier907 on February 12, 2017, 06:18:38 PM
How come the mepro mor isn't widely considered an optic for the tavor? I found one for slightly more $ than a t1 aimpoint.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: 1 Year Wonder on February 13, 2017, 09:27:53 PM
So does anyone use the micro red dots like Primary or Holosun? I find these more desirable than aim points Etc.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Kevlar on February 13, 2017, 11:10:22 PM
I have the Holosun / Primary Arms micro with ACSS reticle on both my X95s

Ran it at the level I IWI course in November, no problems and other students commented on how they liked the reticle.

I really like it and it has functioned well in the sub zero SD winter weather.

Time will tell to determine reliability but I am digging em


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: ranger56528 on February 13, 2017, 11:16:44 PM
Mine with the Mepro RDS.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: MattK on February 21, 2017, 07:24:40 AM
I am waiting for my X95 Flattop to be delivered. In the mean time I trying to get the misc set up parts for like a sight or a scope and a grip.
I am having a really hard time deciding if I should go with a red dot or scope.
The pickup on the red dots is awesome. I am looking at the Trijicon MRO Patrol. This is new this year, but I haven't been able to find a video of it yet that shows the actual view using it. So I am basing my opinion on the Trijicon MRO 2. The objective on this unit is amazing and should yield easy target acquisitions. I don't know if the "patrol version will be the same, or if it will be like an aimpoint which seems more like a tube to me. Does anyone have knowledge about the new patrol version?

I like the idea of having a range variable and am considering a 1x4 scope. However I really don't want to lose that easy pickup of targets looking through a tube. I see on here that some guys are using a scope and a micro, but I don't think I can shell out the dough for both. As owners of this rifle what are your thoughts based on experiences you have had? Is it relatively important to have a magnifying scope on it?

My intentions with the rifle are self defense or more of a combat role.

Regarding mounting, from what I have read here a 1/3 co-witness works best with this rifle. Can someone confirm that? ( https://www.iwi.us/X95/XG16.aspx  ) I am pretty new to optics in general so its all a bit overwhelming.

Thanks in advance for your reply  :)


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Hivedr. on February 21, 2017, 02:34:30 PM
I am waiting for my X95 Flattop to be delivered. In the mean time I trying to get the misc set up parts for like a sight or a scope and a grip.
I am having a really hard time deciding if I should go with a red dot or scope.
The pickup on the red dots is awesome. I am looking at the Trijicon MRO Patrol. This is new this year, but I haven't been able to find a video of it yet that shows the actual view using it. So I am basing my opinion on the Trijicon MRO 2. The objective on this unit is amazing and should yield easy target acquisitions. I don't know if the "patrol version will be the same, or if it will be like an aimpoint which seems more like a tube to me. Does anyone have knowledge about the new patrol version?

I like the idea of having a range variable and am considering a 1x4 scope. However I really don't want to lose that easy pickup of targets looking through a tube. I see on here that some guys are using a scope and a micro, but I don't think I can shell out the dough for both. As owners of this rifle what are your thoughts based on experiences you have had? Is it relatively important to have a magnifying scope on it?

My intentions with the rifle are self defense or more of a combat role.

Regarding mounting, from what I have read here a 1/3 co-witness works best with this rifle. Can someone confirm that? ( https://www.iwi.us/X95/XG16.aspx  ) I am pretty new to optics in general so its all a bit overwhelming.

Thanks in advance for your reply  :)

"My intentions with the rifle are self defense or more of a combat role". In this sentence you answered your own question as in this role coupled with the X95 design dynamics, a "red dot" is your best option. "Self defense" 0-25 yards given DOJ stats for LE and civil defensive shootings. "Combat" 0-300 yards as a number of studies have shown real world fights most often take place within this range.




Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: kingof9x on February 21, 2017, 07:13:57 PM
The primary arms/holosun with ACSS reticent is very nice.  After seeing it at the level 1 tavor class I went out and got one for myself.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: DubageL on February 21, 2017, 07:58:37 PM
FYI, Mako group has 20% of meprolight RDS reflex sights.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: MattK on February 21, 2017, 08:13:27 PM
"My intentions with the rifle are self defense or more of a combat role". In this sentence you answered your own question as in this role coupled with the X95 design dynamics, a "red dot" is your best option. "Self defense" 0-25 yards given DOJ stats for LE and civil defensive shootings. "Combat" 0-300 yards as a number of studies have shown real world fights most often take place within this range.
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Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate the extra detail stat info. It does make sense when you put it like that.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Kevlar on February 22, 2017, 02:28:13 PM
Kingof9X

Good to hear you gave the Holosun a try after trying it on my rifle. It was in the -20s here and it was working just fine.

For the others here -  at the level I course we ran an exercise where everyone would induce a malfunction then move over to a different rifle.  The object was to get the rifle up and running quickly but also allowed us to try different rifle set ups / optics

It was fun


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: popo22 on February 23, 2017, 11:21:53 AM

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Re: Red dot optic for X95
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Quote from: MattK on February 21, 2017, 07:24:40 AM
I am waiting for my X95 Flattop to be delivered. In the mean time I trying to get the misc set up parts for like a sight or a scope and a grip.
I am having a really hard time deciding if I should go with a red dot or scope.
The pickup on the red dots is awesome. I am looking at the Trijicon MRO Patrol. This is new this year, but I haven't been able to find a video of it yet that shows the actual view using it. So I am basing my opinion on the Trijicon MRO 2. The objective on this unit is amazing and should yield easy target acquisitions. I don't know if the "patrol version will be the same, or if it will be like an aimpoint which seems more like a tube to me. Does anyone have knowledge about the new patrol version?

I like the idea of having a range variable and am considering a 1x4 scope. However I really don't want to lose that easy pickup of targets looking through a tube. I see on here that some guys are using a scope and a micro, but I don't think I can shell out the dough for both. As owners of this rifle what are your thoughts based on experiences you have had? Is it relatively important to have a magnifying scope on it?

My intentions with the rifle are self defense or more of a combat role.

Regarding mounting, from what I have read here a 1/3 co-witness works best with this rifle. Can someone confirm that? ( https://www.iwi.us/X95/XG16.aspx  ) I am pretty new to optics in general so its all a bit overwhelming.

Thanks in advance for your reply  Smiley

"My intentions with the rifle are self defense or more of a combat role". In this sentence you answered your own question as in this role coupled with the X95 design dynamics, a "red dot" is your best option. "Self defense" 0-25 yards given DOJ stats for LE and civil defensive shootings. "Combat" 0-300 yards as a number of studies have shown real world fights most often take place within this range.


« Last Edit: February 21, 2017, 02:36:32 PM by Hivedr. »

^^^:
Agreed. This is basically my intended use as well for "patrol". I really do not see ever shooting beyond 200 yards and the vast majority of possible use would be inside of 100 yards. For fast acquisition short distance I prefer a 2-3 mos red dot. Even with my 2 moa red dot I am able of consistently keeping a 100 yd. group around 2.5", at 25-50 yards I am able to keep groups between .5-1". That is plenty accurate for this purpose IMHO. Good Luck.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: kingof9x on February 23, 2017, 04:18:00 PM
Kingof9X

Good to hear you gave the Holosun a try after trying it on my rifle. It was in the -20s here and it was working just fine.

For the others here -  at the level I course we ran an exercise where everyone would induce a malfunction then move over to a different rifle.  The object was to get the rifle up and running quickly but also allowed us to try different rifle set ups / optics

It was fun

It was fun. I can share some opinions based on that experience. I brought a meprolight m21 with circle dot reticle. It was hard to use that accurately at 100 yards. the circle covered up to much of the target. I was lent a mepro m21 with the triangle and used that for the rest of the course. It was way easier to shoot accurately with that. When we ran the drill Kevlar referred to everybody got to shoot the meprolight red dot, meprolight m21, a couple eotech sights, an aimpoint, and the holosun/primary arms.

The holosun/primary arms sight has a very nice triangle with bullet drop. It makes it very nice when shooting at close range and at 100 yards. I bought a red dot magnifier to try and see how the bullet drop reticle works past 100 yards but I don't have easy access to a range that long.

http://www.primaryarms.com/holosun-paralow-hs503g-red-dot-sight-acss-reticle-hs503g-acss Not only does it have an awesome reticle, and apparently works in 20 below 0 weather but costs way less than a meprolight which costs way less than other well known brands.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: popo22 on February 24, 2017, 09:54:00 PM
I often catch myself gravitating toward expecting to get "sub-moa" groups from the "X95" due to my "counter-sniper" background, but then try to bring myself back to reality and remember what I got the x95 for (a cqc rifle that I can carry in my trunk and deploy in urban/close quarter situations).  The 2 moa "red dot" fills the intended purpose perfectly, I just need to keep my head on straight and remember it's intended purpose. If I need a "sub-moa" rifle then I need to carry the right equipment.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: Rastoff on March 03, 2017, 09:12:19 PM
I'm a big fan of the MRO, but that ACSS reticle does look nice.

What's the battery life on the Holosun with ACSS?


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: sttaylor on April 21, 2017, 06:57:03 PM
  If your ballin on a budget as I am then consider the Vortex AR spark red dot.... found it on amazon for $170. It works great.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: downeyg on April 24, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
I have a MRO and an American Defense lower 1/3 co-witness mount which is actually a true co-witness on X95.  I have an astigmatism so the dot on all sights is screwed up.  I pick the portion of the screwed up dot which is most defined.  For precision distance shooting where speed is not required, I flip up the rear sight and look through the aperture and the dot cleans up quit a bit.  It is the same as looking through a pin hole which uses less of the eye and therefore an astigmatism has less influence on your vision.  If Leupold still made the prismatic sight, I would have purchased it instead of the MRO because the reticle was etched on the lens and my astigmatism would have had less of an effect.(http://)


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: gsxr1300 on May 14, 2017, 12:22:20 PM
I have a Mepro RDS Pro--it's great for the X95. It even looks like it was designed for it stylistically. Large field of view, easy to adjust brightness levels, automatic on and off feature--1.8moa dot. Everything you need. I sold my X95 though so mine is up for sale since I don't need one right now. If I get another X95 in the future, I'll go back to it for sure.


Is it for sale?


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: BellatorInvictus on May 14, 2017, 02:44:30 PM
GSX--I had it up for sale for a while on Evilbay at $500 free shipping, but no one wanted to buy it. I paid $570 for it around Christmas time last year and I'm not really interested in selling it at much more of a loss than $500. It's like new--shot once with it and kept it in the box after selling my first X95. So I figured I'd just keep it instead while saving for my second X95. It's an awesome, simple little sight. Sure you can get the standard RDS for a lot cheaper, but it isn't milspec and the shorter hood doesn't look as sharp to me.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: gsxr1300 on May 14, 2017, 05:16:37 PM
Thanks ill probably order one soon.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: gunhand on May 17, 2017, 02:06:17 PM
 When I originally bought my X95, I put a Meprolight M21 optic on it. I have since changed to a Aimpoint T-1 on both the X95 and my Steyr AUG.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: spyrius on May 17, 2017, 08:32:18 PM
When I originally bought my X95, I put a Meprolight M21 optic on it. I have since changed to a Aimpoint T-1 on both the X95 and my Steyr AUG.

Why did you change? I'm thinking about getting a M21.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: SemiAuto9 on May 18, 2017, 11:24:24 AM
Was thinking of running a VORTEX VENOM on a X95. Anyone have experience with that red dot system on a X95 TAVOR?


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: BullpupT on May 18, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
When I originally bought my X95, I put a Meprolight M21 optic on it. I have since changed to a Aimpoint T-1 on both the X95 and my Steyr AUG.

Why did you change? I'm thinking about getting a M21.


Not original poster but...
It's a 20+ year old design with well documented issues. Dim reticle and weight are a couple.


Love my MRO


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: gsxr1300 on May 20, 2017, 01:06:13 PM
Mepro RDS Pro came in today cant wait ti try it out.


Title: Re: Red dot optic for X95
Post by: AlexTavor on May 21, 2017, 03:03:58 PM
I really like the Trijicon MRO patrol, one of my favourite optics for the Tavor. Tried the Mepro RDS Pro before my MRO but I couldn't get it to function properly. The red dot was distorted on the glass and had a sorta haze around the dot making it look sloppy. Not sure if this was exclusive to just my RDS since I've watched many youtube and gun site reviews and non complained about the same issue. Its most noticeable in low light conditions so its also possible the reviewers only used it in the sun.